Comments on: ACC Trophy 2006 in Malaysia http://nasirkhan.wordpress.com/2006/01/11/acc-trophy-2006-in-malaysia-and-age-level-tournament-format-change/ Just another Wordpress.com weblog Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:35:56 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: mahmood obaidi http://nasirkhan.wordpress.com/2006/01/11/acc-trophy-2006-in-malaysia-and-age-level-tournament-format-change/#comment-14872 mahmood obaidi Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:50:02 +0000 http://nasirkhan.wordpress.com/2006/01/11/acc-trophy-2006-in-malaysia-and-age-level-tournament-format-change/#comment-14872 The world is aware of revolution in our country ( AFGHANISTAN )in 25-30 years of domastic or civil war and had tolerated miserable lives so far.but beside all these our country men has concentrated on cricket alot in order to perform in international games with the hopes they had in thier heart and as we all know and are the witnesses of our marvelous cricketers' consequences of thier asian twenty twenty final match which was a great achievement. as an afghan citizen i deeply and heartly admire our splinded cricket players for thier hard work with the manpower they have and i would love to congratulate them and wish them all the best and successes for the upcoming world cup, so keep up guys! The world is aware of revolution in our country ( AFGHANISTAN )in 25-30 years of domastic or civil war and had tolerated miserable lives so far.but beside all these our country men has concentrated on cricket alot in order to perform in international games with the hopes they had in thier heart and as we all know and are the witnesses of our marvelous cricketers’ consequences of thier asian twenty twenty final match which was a great achievement. as an afghan citizen i deeply and heartly admire our splinded cricket players for thier hard work with the manpower they have and i would love to congratulate them and wish them all the best and successes for the upcoming world cup, so keep up guys!

]]> By: Aryan khan http://nasirkhan.wordpress.com/2006/01/11/acc-trophy-2006-in-malaysia-and-age-level-tournament-format-change/#comment-14871 Aryan khan Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:31:01 +0000 http://nasirkhan.wordpress.com/2006/01/11/acc-trophy-2006-in-malaysia-and-age-level-tournament-format-change/#comment-14871 I know Afghanistan has been suffering from 30 years of war...but at the mean time we dont have to forget that we got best talented cricket players in this great country we are looking forward for my country man in world league.... all the best of luck Afghanistan. I know Afghanistan has been suffering from 30 years of war…but at the mean time we dont have to forget that we got best talented cricket players in this great country we are looking forward for my country man in world league…. all the best of luck Afghanistan.

]]> By: Nishadh Rego http://nasirkhan.wordpress.com/2006/01/11/acc-trophy-2006-in-malaysia-and-age-level-tournament-format-change/#comment-1722 Nishadh Rego Tue, 22 Aug 2006 10:33:24 +0000 http://nasirkhan.wordpress.com/2006/01/11/acc-trophy-2006-in-malaysia-and-age-level-tournament-format-change/#comment-1722 Nasir...Pakistan is one example!..A country that has always produced some of the best natural raw talent in the world. At the U-19 level, this also counts. I think multi-day cricket would certainly help teams like Afghanistan Malaysia Nepal and UAE in the development of better players. ACC is implementing a 2 tier structure for the next ACC trophy according to latest reports based on the top 8 and bottom 8 teams in this tournament. The problem with it is that you still have teams like Oman Kuwait Thailand and Maldives playing Myanmar, Brunei, Bhutan, and Iran. More bullshit! Nasir…Pakistan is one example!..A country that has always produced some of the best natural raw talent in the world. At the U-19 level, this also counts. I think multi-day cricket would certainly help teams like Afghanistan Malaysia Nepal and UAE in the development of better players.

ACC is implementing a 2 tier structure for the next ACC trophy according to latest reports based on the top 8 and bottom 8 teams in this tournament. The problem with it is that you still have teams like Oman Kuwait Thailand and Maldives playing Myanmar, Brunei, Bhutan, and Iran.
More bullshit!

]]> By: katawazai http://nasirkhan.wordpress.com/2006/01/11/acc-trophy-2006-in-malaysia-and-age-level-tournament-format-change/#comment-1719 katawazai Tue, 22 Aug 2006 09:02:27 +0000 http://nasirkhan.wordpress.com/2006/01/11/acc-trophy-2006-in-malaysia-and-age-level-tournament-format-change/#comment-1719 I think Afghanistan cricket team is very strong and it will qualify for the world tournment. Katawazai Seoul I think Afghanistan cricket team is very strong and it will qualify for the world tournment.
Katawazai
Seoul

]]> By: Nasir M. Khan http://nasirkhan.wordpress.com/2006/01/11/acc-trophy-2006-in-malaysia-and-age-level-tournament-format-change/#comment-1635 Nasir M. Khan Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:16:14 +0000 http://nasirkhan.wordpress.com/2006/01/11/acc-trophy-2006-in-malaysia-and-age-level-tournament-format-change/#comment-1635 well, i placed saudi arabia in div 1 after todays performance...... :) And the only reason why these expat based teams come out of the blue is because they are all pakistanis playing the game there anyway....... Tanzania WOULD come close to Uganda if 50K South Africans were to go and live there temporarily ........... Lets say that Nepal get beaten by Oman...... what would they have achieved from this tournament in terms of development? They would have only played Hong Kong ...... they would not have played any of UAE, Afghanistan, Malaysia etc...... in addition to that, such a tournament is not good overall, because it can end up in knocking out the second or third best team by placing them in a Quarter final against UAE etc...... in the current ICC strucutre where 2 asian teams are already placed in Div II, it would make more sense to find the 3rd best team properly, instead of the current setup which nearly pitted Afghanistan v UAE qtr final today.......... Regarding the age groups..... what i am saying is ..... the U19 world champions, two times in a row, dont play any 3-4 day cricket at U15 level...... so it cannot be a 'much needed' skill or an essential one at the u15 level at least ......... btw, the strucutre that I mentioned can be modified to relegate and promote 2 teams instead of 1 between div 2 and div 1....... i.e. if one feels that the teams are too close to each other........ well, i placed saudi arabia in div 1 after todays performance…… :)

And the only reason why these expat based teams come out of the blue is because they are all pakistanis playing the game there anyway……. Tanzania WOULD come close to Uganda if 50K South Africans were to go and live there temporarily ………..

Lets say that Nepal get beaten by Oman…… what would they have achieved from this tournament in terms of development? They would have only played Hong Kong …… they would not have played any of UAE, Afghanistan, Malaysia etc…… in addition to that, such a tournament is not good overall, because it can end up in knocking out the second or third best team by placing them in a Quarter final against UAE etc…… in the current ICC strucutre where 2 asian teams are already placed in Div II, it would make more sense to find the 3rd best team properly, instead of the current setup which nearly pitted Afghanistan v UAE qtr final today……….

Regarding the age groups….. what i am saying is ….. the U19 world champions, two times in a row, dont play any 3-4 day cricket at U15 level…… so it cannot be a ‘much needed’ skill or an essential one at the u15 level at least ………

btw, the strucutre that I mentioned can be modified to relegate and promote 2 teams instead of 1 between div 2 and div 1……. i.e. if one feels that the teams are too close to each other……..

]]> By: Nishadh Rego http://nasirkhan.wordpress.com/2006/01/11/acc-trophy-2006-in-malaysia-and-age-level-tournament-format-change/#comment-1633 Nishadh Rego Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:48:02 +0000 http://nasirkhan.wordpress.com/2006/01/11/acc-trophy-2006-in-malaysia-and-age-level-tournament-format-change/#comment-1633 On the other hand Saudi Arabia almost beat UAE!!...would you ever see Italy coming close to Ireland? or Tanzania coming close to Namibia or Uganda.. or Germany coming close to Scotland??? NO way! Asia is the only continent where there no definite hierachy amongst the top 13 teams. Nasir.. you placed Saudi Arabia in division two however they were well on the way to shocking UAE today..Singapore (division 2 team) thrashed Oman. To be honest, Thailand is very good example of a nation that has developed because exposure like this. At the 2002 ACC Trophy Singapore scored 449/2 in 50 overs against Thailand.. Thailand scored 123. Thailand have come a long way from that simply because they have been exposed to this competition and have worked towards developing a team able to compete at this level, scoring 230 against semi finalists Qatar today, and if it weren't for the injury of two main bowlers, it would have been a much tougher game! Qatar and Oman were thrashed at the 2002 ACC Trophy, look where they have reached! In the long run a tournament like this helps the developing nations raise their standards in a huge manner. I agree that Myanmar, Iran, Brunei, and Bhutan might still be underprepared to play such a tournament but give them a few years, and take my word, they will improve. Nasir, I know that kids in India start playing 3 and 4 day cricket at the U-15 level (state level U-15). India has stopped one days for age groups below the U-19. I know school cricket is also played in the 2 day format. I'm sure about Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, but I know this is the case with India. School cricket is Australia is also played in the 2 day format. On the other hand Saudi Arabia almost beat UAE!!…would you ever see Italy coming close to Ireland? or Tanzania coming close to Namibia or Uganda.. or Germany coming close to Scotland??? NO way! Asia is the only continent where there no definite hierachy amongst the top 13 teams.

Nasir.. you placed Saudi Arabia in division two however they were well on the way to shocking UAE today..Singapore (division 2 team) thrashed Oman.

To be honest, Thailand is very good example of a nation that has developed because exposure like this. At the 2002 ACC Trophy Singapore scored 449/2 in 50 overs against Thailand.. Thailand scored 123. Thailand have come a long way from that simply because they have been exposed to this competition and have worked towards developing a team able to compete at this level, scoring 230 against semi finalists Qatar today, and if it weren’t for the injury of two main bowlers, it would have been a much tougher game! Qatar and Oman were thrashed at the 2002 ACC Trophy, look where they have reached! In the long run a tournament like this helps the developing nations raise their standards in a huge manner.

I agree that Myanmar, Iran, Brunei, and Bhutan might still be underprepared to play such a tournament but give them a few years, and take my word, they will improve. Nasir, I know that kids in India start playing 3 and 4 day cricket at the U-15 level (state level U-15). India has stopped one days for age groups below the U-19. I know school cricket is also played in the 2 day format. I’m sure about Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, but I know this is the case with India. School cricket is Australia is also played in the 2 day format.

]]> By: Ram http://nasirkhan.wordpress.com/2006/01/11/acc-trophy-2006-in-malaysia-and-age-level-tournament-format-change/#comment-1631 Ram Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:55:45 +0000 http://nasirkhan.wordpress.com/2006/01/11/acc-trophy-2006-in-malaysia-and-age-level-tournament-format-change/#comment-1631 Well...Myanmar have put in a performance today that would make Brunei's performance against UAE or Namibia/USA's performances against Australia extraordinary!...And who were they playing?....An expat-based Hong Kong...Surely this is the last ACC trophy under this format..... Well…Myanmar have put in a performance today that would make Brunei’s performance against UAE or Namibia/USA’s performances against Australia extraordinary!…And who were they playing?….An expat-based Hong Kong…Surely this is the last ACC trophy under this format…..

]]> By: Nasir M. Khan http://nasirkhan.wordpress.com/2006/01/11/acc-trophy-2006-in-malaysia-and-age-level-tournament-format-change/#comment-1630 Nasir M. Khan Thu, 17 Aug 2006 08:06:31 +0000 http://nasirkhan.wordpress.com/2006/01/11/acc-trophy-2006-in-malaysia-and-age-level-tournament-format-change/#comment-1630 Rego..... I dont think players from Pakistan start playing 3-4 day games from the time they are 14........ in fact, many of them dont even play with a proper cricket ball till they start moving up............ one example is that of Anwar Ali, the U19 player who recently demolished India in the final of the world cup taking 5 wickets in 9 balls or something...... that guy had never played with a cricket ball till 6-7 months before the U19 world cup, and had always played with a tennis ball with a duct tape over it (its called a tape ball in pakistan)...... he had also never played on a proper pitch, moslty onl concrete roads, or on un paved and grassless grounds.......... In most school tournaments as well, U15 kids do not play even 50 over matches, but only 25-30 over matches...... I am not saying that 2 days games should not be played, but perhaps not at the U15 level...... it would be better to play that at the U19 level, like Europe............. Rego….. I dont think players from Pakistan start playing 3-4 day games from the time they are 14…….. in fact, many of them dont even play with a proper cricket ball till they start moving up………… one example is that of Anwar Ali, the U19 player who recently demolished India in the final of the world cup taking 5 wickets in 9 balls or something…… that guy had never played with a cricket ball till 6-7 months before the U19 world cup, and had always played with a tennis ball with a duct tape over it (its called a tape ball in pakistan)…… he had also never played on a proper pitch, moslty onl concrete roads, or on un paved and grassless grounds……….

In most school tournaments as well, U15 kids do not play even 50 over matches, but only 25-30 over matches……

I am not saying that 2 days games should not be played, but perhaps not at the U15 level…… it would be better to play that at the U19 level, like Europe………….

]]> By: Nishadh Rego http://nasirkhan.wordpress.com/2006/01/11/acc-trophy-2006-in-malaysia-and-age-level-tournament-format-change/#comment-1628 Nishadh Rego Thu, 17 Aug 2006 00:02:51 +0000 http://nasirkhan.wordpress.com/2006/01/11/acc-trophy-2006-in-malaysia-and-age-level-tournament-format-change/#comment-1628 The U-15 elite group is playing 2 day matches while the U-15 plate group is playing 50 over matches. This is in an effort to improve the fitness, application, and technique of the players from these countries from a very young age. Players from all the test nations start to play 3 and 4 day games from the time they are 14. The plate group is made up Maldives, Thailand, Qatar, Oman (probably the 4 strongest teams), Bhutan, Brunei, Iran, Myanmar, China, Saudi Arabia and is to be played in Bangkok, and Chiang Mai in december The U-15 elite group is playing 2 day matches while the U-15 plate group is playing 50 over matches. This is in an effort to improve the fitness, application, and technique of the players from these countries from a very young age. Players from all the test nations start to play 3 and 4 day games from the time they are 14. The plate group is made up Maldives, Thailand, Qatar, Oman (probably the 4 strongest teams), Bhutan, Brunei, Iran, Myanmar, China, Saudi Arabia and is to be played in Bangkok, and Chiang Mai in december

]]> By: Nishadh Rego http://nasirkhan.wordpress.com/2006/01/11/acc-trophy-2006-in-malaysia-and-age-level-tournament-format-change/#comment-1627 Nishadh Rego Wed, 16 Aug 2006 23:58:18 +0000 http://nasirkhan.wordpress.com/2006/01/11/acc-trophy-2006-in-malaysia-and-age-level-tournament-format-change/#comment-1627 On the contrary, I think matches against better sides give the younger sides experience, and, if they perform creditably, confidence to some degree. It also causes them to aspire to a higher level in their preparation for such tournaments. Ofcourse, these one off games do not help teams like UAE, but they are still playing the top teams in the tournament. UAE, Nepal, Afghanistan should be playing the test A sides because ultimately UAE playing Bahrain every second month isn't going to improve them either. I think this format is a beneficial experience for some of the newer sides, while the established sides still play other established sides. Take Iran fror example. In 2004, they scored 29 against Nepal, and 100 against Bhutan. This year they scored 126 against afghanistan, 118 against saudi arabia, 137 against Kuwait in the Gulf Cup, 152/9 against Thailand and 100 against Afghanistan in this tournament. This is a marked improvement over two years. What the ACC has in mind, is that in the long run (5 to 10 years) all of these teams will be able to match up to each other, and we are seeing that already with this format. On the contrary, I think matches against better sides give the younger sides experience, and, if they perform creditably, confidence to some degree. It also causes them to aspire to a higher level in their preparation for such tournaments. Ofcourse, these one off games do not help teams like UAE, but they are still playing the top teams in the tournament. UAE, Nepal, Afghanistan should be playing the test A sides because ultimately UAE playing Bahrain every second month isn’t going to improve them either. I think this format is a beneficial experience for some of the newer sides, while the established sides still play other established sides. Take Iran fror example. In 2004, they scored 29 against Nepal, and 100 against Bhutan. This year they scored 126 against afghanistan, 118 against saudi arabia, 137 against Kuwait in the Gulf Cup, 152/9 against Thailand and 100 against Afghanistan in this tournament. This is a marked improvement over two years. What the ACC has in mind, is that in the long run (5 to 10 years) all of these teams will be able to match up to each other, and we are seeing that already with this format.

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