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News: Malaysia establishing cricket centers of excellence….

Looks like the Tri series did help Malaysia through this $150K, and also the $500K that India put in installing those floodlights in Kinara Oval…….

Malaysia always has the adminsitration, the facilities, the infrastrucutre, and they have mainstreamed the game as well…… and they have done it all through internal means using a lot of hard work…… but they dont have the talent……I wonder why? People will say that they have a very strong age level team….. well, actually they dont…… they have the second best team in Asia at the U19 level, but the way Nepal has always thrashed them in the finals, there is a world of a difference…….. I believe that Ireland is probably stronger than Malaysia at the U19 level……..

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  1. Cuen Lucas
    October 9, 2006 at 12:03 pm

    Coupled with Malaysia’s new domestic structure, it looks like exciting times are on the horizion for Malaysian cricket, they may not have the talent YET, but ideas like this will help considerably.

    It does lead to some interesting questions, because Canada have hosted a good few India vs. Pakistan series, and yet not that much progress has been made, and along comes Malaysia with only 1 hosted tournament and it is looking to use the revenues to improve it’s game.

  2. Noire
    October 10, 2006 at 2:44 am

    Being a Nepali I almost feel jealous! But i think this is a time to applaud malaysia for doing all the things right! Hopefully its only upwards from here for them!

  3. Tom Lewis
    October 10, 2006 at 5:06 am

    In terms of infastructure it certainly seems that Malaysia are getting it done the right way. If they could graduate a few youngster into decent associate level players, add Suppiah from Somerset and they could have a competetive team, the next world cup qualifying tournement is a while off yet, and the likes of the Netherlands and Bermuda have ageing sides, there could be a couple of spots up for grabs.

    Hats of to Namibia as well, i think playing in the Provincial championship will pay dividends, and they seem to have a decent crop of Under 19s and the willingness to blood them.

    On the subject of Ireland, after Nepal they are the next best under 19 team and have four or five extremely talented players coming through. Chris Dougherty and Shane Getkate are two to look out for.

  4. October 10, 2006 at 6:40 am

    Malaysia first has to get a better ranking than their current 7th in Asia before they can even start thinking about World Leagues….. ICC Trophy spots are a little far off, and Netherlands/Bermuda are much farther…….

    Netherlands may have an ageing side, but except for De Leede, the others are a bit of a liability on them right now….. Smits, Stelling, Van Troost…… replacing them with Buurman, Jonkman etc is going to keep Netherlands standard the same, if not to improve it………….

    The winter will give us better answars……… Netherlands vis a viz Canada and Bermuda will be understood much better……………

    For record…. Canada is a better team than Bermuda, and it is probably a better team than Kenya as well………. I dont care what happenned during their recent ODIs, because Canada has a Pro-Amateur issue and they fielded funny looking sides for the ODIs, less than their Intercontinental cup matches where they fileded full sides and were able to beat both Kenya and Bermuda, the latter with ease…..

  5. Nishadh Rego
    October 10, 2006 at 10:44 pm

    Again..some good news for Malaysia

    Nasir..Nepal haven’t ALWAYS thrashed them..there isn’t a world of difference between the two sides. At the 2003 ACC U-19 Cup Malaysia lost the final by 25 odd runs. Last year, Nepal did beat them by 7 wickets, but I believe if Nepal had batted first, they would’ve had similar problems under those conditions..

    Malaysia are a tough nut to analyze. They have very good junior teams, and a decent senior team, however somehow in the last two ACC Trophies, they have failed to provide the goods. I do believe, however, that a move like this will their young team an added level of professionalism.

    Indeed Netherlands, Bermuda and the ICC Trophy are far off, but theres no reason why Malaysia can’t sneak a spot in the next WCL Divison 3, 4 or 5….should be interesting to monitor their progress…

    Nepal and Hong Kong play a three day game this weekend..should be interesting to see how that turns out..

    This is a thought I’ve been having..
    The Asian region is the only region with a regional multi day league. I was wondering whether the ACC could start holding triangular tournaments and short 4 nation one tournaments as well, and start their own ranking system. This would give the Asian countries a much higher level of professionalism through regular high quality competition and would certainly help countries like Afghanistan on a world stage.

    For example. Hong Kong are travelling all the way to Nepal for one 3-day game. Wouldn’t it be a good idea to invite Afghanistan and possibly Maldives and hold a triangular while Hong Kong are there.

    When UAE, or Nepal go to singapore or malaysia for their three day game, those three countries could hold a triangular tournament or invite teams like Hong Kong or Thailand.

    The costs wouldn’t be much higher, and this would go a long way in helping the associates.

  6. October 10, 2006 at 11:39 pm

    Rego,

    It is never a problem about costs…… its a problem of player availability….. one of the major things the ACC takes into account is the fact that the players cannot take a lot of time off from work, and hence they suffer not only from lost wages but also progression in their career……

    This is a typical mentality of a region where majority of the teams are expat based, and they essentially take the game as fun and frolic…….. for e.g. in Bermuda, you had many of the players take unpaid leave to represent their country, and a couple of Canadians, despite being expats, were serious enough to put in all nighters before their intercontinental cup games to make up for lost time beforehand…….

    Nepal, Afghanistan, Maldives, even Malaysia, Bhutan etc would not have a problem with an extended season…… but Hong Kong, Singapore, Oman, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, UAE adn Qatar all would…….. and the ACC is not willing to take this initiative to force them into it……..

  7. Nishadh Rego
    October 11, 2006 at 3:42 am

    Wouldn’t such an initiative improve professionalism and availability issues in the long run though? If ACC is willing to Singapore and HOng Kong play 5 3-dayers throughout the year, it wouldn’t hurt to include a few one-dayers on these tours. I don’t care about Qatar and Saudi Arabia as such, however I feel that Singapore, Hong Kong, Nepal, UAE, Malaysia, Maldives, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Thailand, and even Bhutan for that matter have the resources, and (most) have the player depth to produce good if not decent sides for such matches.

  8. October 11, 2006 at 10:55 am

    More games never hurt….. the rankings would help too…… but the point is that the ACC is on record saying that they DONT want to do this, because the players cannot take time off from work etc…

    I think that is a mentality that the ACC would have to force themselves to get out of for the betterment of the game in the region….

  9. Nishadh Rego
    October 11, 2006 at 8:34 pm

    Are you ACC is on the record saying this? What i’m talking about alleviates even that problem to some extent. WHILE Hong Kong are on tour in Nepal, they can stay for a couple more days and play Afghanistan and Nepal in a couple of one dayers..Theres no point in UAE coming all the way to Singapore for 4 days..makes more sense if they play a couple of one-dayers while they are there…I think this will happen in the next couple of years..as a matter of fact

  10. October 12, 2006 at 1:07 am

    I remember someone once emailing ACC and getting that specific response……… perhaps it is even pasted here in comments somewhere on this blog……. I believe I HAVE read this as official stance of the ACC as well somewhere…..

    But you can see a lot of somewheres, somebodies, someones in my para above….. so no, I cannot quote exactly where this was said……

    Afghanistan should be invited whenever a team comes to Nepal to play……. for a triangular……… Nepal/Afghanistan should be invited whenever someone comes to play UAE…….

    Same can be done with the SEA countries Malaysia, Hong Kong and Singapore…….. something similar to what the ICC is doing through the intercontinental cup………

    A ranking system is very important for the asian region…. gives teams something to aspire to and sets the record straight…… for all the criticism of being too complicated, I think the ICCs ODI ranking system works and works fairly well….. the same thing can be adopted by the ACC………

  11. October 12, 2006 at 2:06 am

    Rego,

    Regarding Nepal and Malaysia U19s…. Eng U19 team barely scrapped through against Nepal from a losing position in the WC…… Nepal kind of snatched defeat from the jaws of victory….. just before the tournament, the same Eng u19 team played 2 games against a full Malaysia team and a Malaysia Presidents XI….. and defeated them both easily….

    In the ACC tournament throughout, Nepal was untouchable, whereas Malaysia was pushed by a couple of teams in the knockout stage……

    So I think there is a fair bit of a difference between Nepal and Malaysia U19s…….. just like Ireland U19 has proved that they may be able to take on Eng u19, because they seem to be in a different league when it comes to other European associates…..

  12. Nishadh Rego
    October 12, 2006 at 3:27 am

    I read the MCA Pres. XI vs Eng. U-19 scores..yeah..that was a bit of a surprise..but then again..the Malaysian probably weren’t tournament fit, the Malaysian season had just begun, and to them it was just a couple of friendly matches. I haven’t seen Eng. U-19 play, but i’ve played both Malaysia U-19s and Nepal U-19s, and have watched them play each other. I agree Nepal do have an edge, however..there isnt that much of a difference.

    Malaysia were hardly challenged in the tournament except by UAE, who as I’ve stated before on this site, the 3rd/4th best team in that tournament. That crop of UAE players, the crop now breaking into the national side (Rameez Shezhad, Syed Fawad, Shoiab Sarwar, Ahmed Reza, Abdul Rehman) are very talented and even took Srilanka U-17s to the wire 2 years ago (Sri Lanka were 32-6)…

    That said..Nepal no doubt have the strongest junior teams, but Malaysia are very close behind. I don’t think you’ve thought the “age verification scandals” that hit nepal very very hard about a year ago.

  13. October 12, 2006 at 3:48 am

    Rego,

    I will take your word for Malaysian standards.

    Enlighten us a little bit about the age verification scandal…..

  14. Nishadh Rego
    October 12, 2006 at 6:31 am

    The ACC started an age-verification testing system in mid-2005 after there were reports and some very obvious cases of the gulf teams and nepal fielding overage players. The first test results came through days AFTER the ACC U-15 Cup in UAE in 2005 (dont ask me why they came out aAFTER) and both Nepal and Afghanistan were found to have almost their whole teams overage. Before the U-17 Asia Cup in August, 2005, each country was required to carry out their own tests, and again out of 25 Nepali players in a closed camp, 14 were deemed overage. Afghanistan ended up fielding an overage side in that tournament and getting disqualified, while Singapore and Bahrain had a couple of players banned from playing the rest of the tournament. I was actually deemed to be “a suspect” case, but that was overruled after they x-rayed me. Afghanistan had to play that U-17 team that they brought to Malaysia in the U-19 world Cup qualifiers in Nepal in november last year, which explains why they got thrashed so bad.

    You can imagine now why Nepal have been so overwhelmingly better than the others at the junior level. I still agree that their junior teams are the best, however don’t look read their results totally at face value!

    I have the groupings for the U-15 Asia Cup in Bkk in Dec.

    Group A (Bangkok) Group B (Chiang Mai)
    China Brunei
    Myanmar Bhutan
    Iran Maldives
    Saudi Arabia Oman
    Thailand Qatar

    Group B certainly looks tougher. The semi-finalists are predictable: Saudi Arabia Thailand Oman Qatar (unless Maldives can pull off an upset)

    Mate, still waiting for the log on info…once i get that..i can start writing properly about all this stuff..cheers

  15. Ram
    October 12, 2006 at 3:32 pm

    Nishadh,

    I thought all Associate/Affiliate member countries of the ACC are taking part in the U15 event in Bangkok this December…Isn’t that the case?

    Coming back to Malaysia, it’s interesting to see why interest levels there are so low despite having good, indigenous national as well as junior teams…If I remember right, Malaysian cricket was expat-dominated till the mid-late 1990s…so, the MCA seems to achieved quite a bit since then on that count…As I said before, I think it would be really interesting to see a triangular between the U19 teams of Nepal, Ireland and Malaysia not only in Ireland but also in Nepal/Malaysia because I think the “away from home” factor plays a very high role in the performance of these countries, more so at the age-group level…

  16. Nishadh Rego
    October 12, 2006 at 5:01 pm

    the away/home factor does have a huge effect..The interest level is something I fail to understand as well. I guess its just a place where cricket was never a culture like in the subcontinent. That says even more about the development program of the MCA

    The U-15 event in bkk is the Division 2 tournament. To my knowledge, the top 2 teams will qualify to division 1, which will be played in 2008. Division 1 was played earlier this year (2 day format). I think Afghanistan and Hong Kong have been relegated from that tournament, though I’m not completely sure.

  17. October 12, 2006 at 7:17 pm

    I think Singapore and HK were relegated…… not Afghanistan……

  18. October 12, 2006 at 7:30 pm

    Countries with small player bases need to see what Holland is doing…… whatever they are doing in terms of infrastructure and junior development seems to be producing a team which always punches above its weight……… Malaysia do not have the numbers issue that holland has, and are trying to get their junior numbers up to 20K by 2020…… so that coupled with all of this should give them a good base……….

    I just wonder about how motivated the players are at the junior level in Malaysia………

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