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News: Uganda to tour Kenya in Jan…..

The following is their itenerary:

Uganda v NPCA XI (Jan 24)
Uganda v Kenya (Jan 26)
Uganda v Canada (Jan 27)
Uganda v Bermuda (Jan 28)

Uganda has been using the elite status of Kenya amongst the associates well….. Hopefully, even in the future, they will keep on utilising such oppurtunities, playing a one off game here and there against the teams visiting Kenya……. Tanzania should at least play Uganda if they cannot replicate what Uganda is doing……

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  1. December 26, 2006 at 4:34 pm

    I commented on this on Cricket Europe, so forgive the repetition, but I feel this tour is a missed opportunity for the provinces other than NPCA to play representative cricket. I see no reason why Uganda could not also have played matches against Rift valley and CCA.
    I agree with you about Tanzania. Ideally, I would like to see both teams play in the Kenyan provincial comp when this gets up and running.
    Uganda do however have closer ties with Kenya as Tom Tikolo was working with them to develope the game there.

  2. Efaz
    December 26, 2006 at 6:23 pm

    Nick, how is Namibia’s relation with Kenya (I know the country is not located near Kenya)? I thought the Namibia team was more deserving to get this kind of opportunities.

  3. Bensti
    December 26, 2006 at 7:37 pm

    Tom Tikolo has stated that Ugandan cricket is significantly more developed than what it is in Kenya.
    No wonder. Uganda has about 5 times more people playing the game than Kenya does and has been able to spread the game into a higher proportion of schools and colleges.
    In fact, a number of Kenyan players have actually played in the Ugandan domestic competition.
    Its rather arrogant to suggest that Uganda should play in the domestic competition of a country where the game is only now being put back together after years of neglect.

  4. December 26, 2006 at 11:31 pm

    Much of the spread of the game in Uganda was down to the efforts of Tikolo himself who is now working towards the same goal in Kenya. With the existing infastructure that Kenya has, plus the funds now available, it should not be long before Kenya surpass what Uganda have achieved.
    Uganda may have more players, but I do not think that the standard of their game is nearly as strong. This was proved by the results of Kenya’s recent tour there and is in part due to the lack of experience against decent competition on grass wickets.
    We shall see soon enough when they play the NPCA how they go, but I doubt they would be too strong for such a competition.
    Further, arrogance has nothing to do with it. Basically, Kenya must get a competition going between the provinces if we are to keep our position in World cricket and my thoughts were that both Uganda and Tanzania would benefit by playing more representative cricket on turf wickets.

  5. Bensti
    December 27, 2006 at 1:40 am

    Ok a few things.
    Uganda’s development program started way before Tikolo got there.
    It was launched in the early 90’s by Ugandans and was well and truly established before Tikolo arrived as I’m sure he would acknowledge.
    Kenya’s recent tour proved nothing.
    Uganda were without six of their best players.
    Take six top line players out of any associate team and they will struggle.
    To judge the strength of Ugandan cricket by that performance is baffling.
    A near full strength Ugandan team beat Kenya’A’in Mombassa. So what! It doesn’t mean much until both nations are pitted against each other on a regular basis fielding their strongest sides.
    In terms of junior development, Kenya has fallen way behind Namibia and Uganda and is on about a par right now with Tanzania.
    Kenya can turn this around I believe but they haven’t yet and they won’t for some time. Any word to the contrary is pure speculation. A realistic development program will take about five to eight years to kick in.
    The four nations need to play against each other, not in the Kenyan domestic comp or even the Zimbabwe comp.

  6. December 27, 2006 at 4:17 am

    take 3-4 top players out of a TEST team and they will struggle……

    I feel that it will be very difficult for Uganda to push through any argument until their tour of Kenya, in which a good performance will be needed……… their full team beat Kenya A 2 times IN kenya this year, so their full team should not be taken lightly….. however, one factor that also has to be taken into account is that kenya is perhaps the most disparate team when it comes to standard differences between their first team and their A team…… Tikolo, Odoyo, ongondo, Otieno etc. are world class acts, and they sort of take Kenya full team to a much much much higher standard…………

    I think Bensti is perhaps correct in suggesting that it may be a bit of a drop down for Uganga to play in Kenya domestic, when they beat Kenya A 2 times this year………

    full tours, like the one this year, should be the way forward, provided that uganda can field a full team……..

  7. December 27, 2006 at 4:25 am

    Efaz……. I think the reason for incorporating Uganda in the Kenyan plans has most to do with the East Africa region……. Namibia is a bit far off………….. it probably a matter of cost, and also a matter of neighbourly relations……. Nick, am I correct?

    Namibia is more in tune with piggybacking on SA’s tours and plans………. countries touring SA should be looking to playing Namibia as a warm up game, almost always…… and given Namibia’s current display in SA domestic, I dont think it will be an easy warm up…………..

  8. December 28, 2006 at 3:01 am

    Regards the Uganda – Kenya provinces strength, we shall see soon enough I guess. NPCA are currently much stronger than CCA, so it could turn out to be a good game.

    I was not saying that Tikolo started the Uganda development program. He was however instrumental in helping it win the ICC award last year. Uganda aknowledged this and my point was that if he could make a big difference there, he could do so in Kenya. Especially now he has that experience under his belt. Kenya’s existing infastructure is superior to Uganda’s and with lots more funding at their disposal, it is logical that they will be able to achieve more in a shorter time.

    Junior wise, there is a actually a fair bit going on in Kenya – certainly more than some media would have us believe. If the existing individual projects are brought together under one administration, Kenya could get their system up and producing much sooner than 5-8 years. Yes it is speculation, but so is saying Uganda would have fared better in the recent tour if they had been able to field all their players. Isn’t that what threads and articles like this are for?

    Regards where the two countries are at in terms of youth level, Uganda’s U19 beat Kenya in the WC qualifiers, but their U15s lost in the regional tournament. There is not much else to go on. Ideally all teams in the region need to play each other more at all age group levels.

    All that aside, this suggestion is being taken a as though it is an attack on Ugandan cricket. Far from it – my point was that this tour would show whether it would make sense for Uganda to play in the Kenya domestic comp. If they thrash NPCA and are too strong, great – they should do their own thing and good luck to them. If not, it would make sense for them to play in such an event until they become too strong. Ditto Tanzania if they tour.

    Regards tours one further poin: I believe all the Associates miss out when they visit a country and only play against the national side. Playing representative sides as warm ups acclimatises the players to the conditions and allows junior players to be blooded. Scotland would I think have fared much better in Bangladesh had they done this. Uganda would benefit by doing the same when they tour Kenya.

    Regards Namibia – Nasir is pretty much on the money I think. Certainly they are benefitting by playing in the SA comp. They would also be too strong for a Kenyan domestic comp.

    All the above teams should play each other in the Africa Cup in May. Hopefully, the ACA can get their act together and make this an annual event…

  9. Bensti
    December 28, 2006 at 6:07 am

    According to your logic Nick, Kenya should really send a team to play in the Castle Lager League in Uganda, judging by the performance of the Kenya ‘A’ team in Mombassa.
    But I wouldn’t be so condescending as to suggest that based on just two poor performances.
    Its one thing for an associate team to play in the domestic competition of a Full Member but to consider playing in the domestic competition of Kenya which is no stronger than The Castle Lager Cricket League is absurd.
    And no I am not biased toward Uganda or Kenya.
    I have followed African cricket and written about it for over a decade.
    In terms of youth level-Uganda has about 25,000 kids involved in its junior program. Kenya has about 6000. These are the facts! It is speculative whether Kenya can match those numbers in the next 5-8 years. With a bit of luck they will.
    Uganda did indeed have six of its best players out of the line-up that met Kenya recently. That is a fact, not speculation.
    Very little separates Kenya, Namibia and Uganda right now if all three teams field their strongest line-ups.

  10. December 28, 2006 at 12:58 pm

    I think it is quite important for the East Africa region to have a strong cricket country….. at the momment, it looks like Kenya is that country….. not that strong globally, but they are doing fine from an administrative and money perspective……

    I will try to explain what I was saying about relative strengths of second and thrid elevens……. Pakistan A team can give Pakistan full team a run for their money, and perhaps even beat them on their good day…….. Pakistan Academy team can also make the full Pakistan team jump hard…….. Kenya A team is not at that level….. Kenya is a much much stronger team than Kenya A, and I dont know if they have an academy side……….. Uganda MAY be too strong for Kenyan domestic sides , but too weak for Kenya full team 🙂 But even if that is the case, Kenya would benefit from Uganda playing in their domestic, and the Ugandan players would benefit from getting some professional money for their skills, since Kenya has that and Uganda does not. Standard wise, Ugandans would benefit from playing against the likes of Tikolo, Odoyo, Ongondo, Otieno etc. So its not much of an improvement standard wise, but its ok from an experience and professional perspective…..

    East Africa region can do a lot more in terms of playing cricket……… I think regular tours should be the order of the day, and yes, they should play select Xis when they tour as well. But U19, A team, and U15 tours should also take place on a yearly basis between Uganda, Kenya and Tanzania.

  11. Bensti
    December 28, 2006 at 5:02 pm

    The best thing for African cricket is for the national sides to play against each other as often as possible at junior and senior level.
    Kenya are fortunate to have Steve Tikolo, a product of the development program of the 1980’s, and Thomas Odoyo keeping the national side competitive.
    Having two or three outstanding national team representatives does not make for a strong domestic competition.
    As I have said. Uganda and Kenya are equals. It is not for either one to assume the role of subservient.
    At the moment, The Castle Lager Cricket League in Uganda is the equal of any associate domestic competition in Africa.
    Many of the Kenyan players have played in it in fact.
    One thing is for sure, the Ugandan domestic league is set to grow even stronger as their massive pool of junior players filter through to senior level.
    Now if Kenya can create a competition as good as the Castle Lager League, they will be doing well.
    They haven’t yet.
    They could always enter a team in the Castle Lager League of course. I’m sure the Ugandans could accomodate an extra side for their neighbours. 😉

  12. Bensti
    December 28, 2006 at 6:41 pm

    Actually to expand on this idea a little further, I think it is time that the rivalry between Uganda and Kenya was taken to a new level.
    It is time for an annual series between the two.
    The best of three internationals played for the TBA Trophy and a years worth of bragging rights, not to mention a case of Bell, Tusker or Castle, depending on the venue.

  13. December 29, 2006 at 1:34 am

    Nasir, your point about the weaknesses of the a teams is well made. Most associated have the same problem, but the gap will slowly close if the A and junior sides play each other more. Hopefully we will see this happen as the boards seem to be cooperating well.

    Bensti, I think we will have to agree to disagree on the relative strengths of the full national sides of Kenya & Uganda. The last tour gave four resounding wins to Kenya and irrespective of the make up of the Ugandan team, they were full internationals. Just as England can’t complain about losing the Ashes because of missing key players, Uganda cannot use that as an excuse for their loss. If Kenya fielded a weakened side in a full international against Uganda and lost, the same would apply. So I am going to claim the bragging rights you talked about (well until 26th Jan anyway, then we shall reassess).

    I still think standard wise there could be a case for Uganda playing in Kenya depending on how they go vs NPCA.
    To clarify: I am not for a moment suggesting they compete in the existing domestic set up, but the new provincial one proposed by Cricket Kenya. Basically, Nairobi will have 2 or 3 combined teams, RVCA and CCA 1 each. Nairobi’s teams will essentially split up the national team and should provide 2 (or 3) strong sides that I think would give Uganda a run for their money as each would have several of the top Kenyan players. Especially if Uganda are unable to field some of their best players again (if they couldn’t do it to play Kenya in an international series, could they have the same difficulty for lesser matches?).

    Talk is that this comp may include both forms of the game and it will certainly be played on turf wickets. These are things Ugandans need as much as the Kenyan players if they are to improve. There would also be nothing stopping Uganda sending a development team if that suits the standard better. An alternative could be for Uganda to split it’s teams in a similar fashion and provide 2 or more teams to form a wider regional comp. Nice as this would be, I think the $ factor would be prohibitive.

    I like the idea of an annual series and infact believe that this is an idea that has already been visited by the boards. Fingers crossed.

    A bit of associated trivia: there used to be a trophy called the Robert Menzies Cup that was contested between Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania and Zambia between 1966 and 1980. Kenya won it 9 times, Zambia 4, Uganda and Tanzania 1 each.

  14. December 29, 2006 at 2:34 am

    Was Zambia a part of East Africa?

  15. December 29, 2006 at 4:10 pm

    No – but I guess that as an ex-colony they may have had strong links through the administration.

  16. Art
    December 30, 2006 at 1:14 am

    This is a good discussion here.

    One of the saddest things is the repetive “a team was missing a number of key players” and it would have performed much better had they been available.

    Sorry folks but reputations are made or lost with who is on the field in a given tournament. Perhaps some discussion could take place on why they didn’t make it on game day. Was it because they were injured, a selection error or they just decided they had better things to do?

    Take the results on who was playing nothing else counts.

  17. December 30, 2006 at 6:40 pm

    Art,

    The players were dropped for ‘disciplianry reasons’…….. they have since then been called back…………..

    what you are saying is correct when its a tournament or something going on…… however, the problem with the ICC is that they end up basing long term (spanning 3-4 year) decisions based on some individual matches…………. thats why it IS important to think through individual match results, and if a team was missing 5 key players who represent their standard of cricket, it does make a difference.

  18. Art
    December 30, 2006 at 7:24 pm

    Thank you for the reply Nasir I guess the simple answer is get the disciplin sorted out early.

    One thing I haven’t seen much discussed here since I joined is the training given to ground staff. It is all well and good putting money into tours and players but if the key part of the ground, the wicket, is not prepared properly and if covers, proper rollers and super soppers are not available or correctly used or the soil and grass is not the best available any amount of money spent on players will ultimately be wasted because the surface they are playing on is nor conducive to turning out good players.

    Can some insight be given into this important area of cricket development.

  19. TikoloBestAssocPlayer
    December 31, 2006 at 8:36 am

    this statements from bensti almost gave me a heartattack… “Very little separates kenya, uganda and namibia right now if all three teams field their strongest line-ups”???.very much does separate us from uganda… kenya has strong opening bowlers(very key area) like odoyo and ongondo who have played over 120 odi matches btwn them and are very reliable in striking early and when u throw in young hiren varaiya, kamande and ever improving nehemiah odhiambo…we got a strong bowling department even with the loss of form of the suji brothers,obuyas leg spin and maurice odumbe(if u remember the bangladesh world cup match)In the batting department, uganda are just no match…we have tikolo who is the best batsman outside test status(debatable)new kid on the block tanmay mishra, Hitesh modi, ouma and obuya David….in terms of the lower order batting kenya have collins obuya and thomas odoyo(if u remember the bangladesh odi he ripped apart bangladesh bowlers on his way to 84 with seven fours and four sixes to rescue kenya).Al this comes with the loss of maurice odumbe, ravindu shah, kennedy obuya (soon to be)very key players in the batting department.the other statement about Uganda having a stronger league is just impossible ..nairobi gymkhana and kanbis can win the castle cup anytime.U raised a good point that has got me worried about uganda having more players 25,000 but that does not worry me coz young players like varaiya and tanmay mishra, nehemiah odhiambo and ouma are slowly becoming core players in the team…this gives kenya ample time to improve on the cricket structure.

  20. December 31, 2006 at 4:19 pm

    Art – this is a very important point you make. In fact, I am hoping to talk the groundstaff of various venues in Nairobi as part of my coverage of the WCL.
    I know that a great deal of work has been recently put into 4 grounds in kenya, namely Nbi gymkhana (though this has always been well maintained), Nbi Jaffery, Ruaraka and of course MSC at the coast. I do not know however whether local groundsmen did all the work or whether people were brought in. Either way, there is still a lot of wark to be done on other grounds.

  21. Art
    December 31, 2006 at 4:40 pm

    Nick,

    This is a key point that I often have seen missing in many second tier countries. Great coaching systems being put into place, wonderful tours arranged and yet the very wickets they are playing on are just not conducive to producing either good batsmen or good bowlers.

    In our area here we are in the grip of a long and protracted drought, the grass covering on the fields is being hit badly but watching the various groundsmen pour their heart and soul into preparing the wicket for matches shows just how much passion exists not only from the players point of view but also the groundsmen who are frequently unpaid here.

    We had an incident in an A grade one day game I umpired a couple of weeks ago. We had received an all too rare summer storm the previous evening and when the local team took the covers off it was done by a number of inexperienced players and they forgot the ground had a slight slope on it. The covers were removed and some of the water flowed back on the wicket. Both teams when they all arrived worked hard with the groundsman to present a playable surface. I must admit it was interesting for a few overs until the sun dried it out, lol.

    But the key here is often missed and that is the wickets must be conducive to producing good batsmen and good bowlers. Too many times when I have visited minor countries and watched or perhaps umpired have I seen wickets conducive to producing seemingly master bowlers out of a gentle medium pacer and then when the turn to dust or crack master spinners out of a second rate twirler. The batsman on the other hand can be reduced to having a dash at everything because a streaky 20 is better in the score book than a crafted 10 that was ended by some delivery that could not be replicated on a reasonable wicket. Then again we shouldn’t prepare a road that make any batsman out to be a hero.

    Cricket happens on a number of levels.

    1. The players must be trained to make the best use of their talents.

    2. The grounds and wickets must be prepared to produce the best possible cricketers.

    3. The officials must be trained to be as fair and reasonable as possible and this is not just the umpires I am talking about.

    The we all read and understand the preamble to the laws and everyone should be happy.

    Training groundsmen and presenting them with adequate equipment often appears to be forgotten in major cricketing nations so I have seen the same happen only even more so in minor nations.

  22. January 1, 2007 at 7:01 am

    Tikolo,

    Just to get the numbers right, Uganda’s juniors + seniors are close to 30K, not 25K.

  23. TikoloBestAssocPlayer
    January 1, 2007 at 1:11 pm

    i was to say over 25,000 anyway ..it was just a typing error. but to say

  24. TikoloBestAssocPlayer
    January 1, 2007 at 1:28 pm

    Uganda beating a coast select side with only Brijal Patel who is one of the worst players to don the national colours and say there is rivalry btwn the two countries as bensti said????? this is just porpostrous….they dint really win it convincingly .They say they are without their key players in the Kenya series but Kenya have lost great players too Ravindu and Odumbe modi etc.with a player base of 30k they should have pushed Kenya in Kampala but instead they were handed a brutal beating till one of their cricket leaders had to apologise for the perfomance.U cant just start climbing a tree from the top!!!!!! it will take time for Uganda to Be rivals with Kenya.

  25. Roland Ilube
    January 26, 2007 at 5:26 am

    Any news on this tour? Wasn’t the first game changed to be Uganda v Tanzania? Anyone know what happened?

  26. Ram
    January 26, 2007 at 11:53 am

    It seems as though Uganda have registered a 5-wicket win against Tanzania; Kenya A have also had a comfortable outing against them…

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