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Mozambique, Bahamas in WCL Division 5?

I’m going to cut straight to the chase. Why are Mozambique and Bahamas participating in WCL Division 5, when there are at at least 20 countries who are more developed and have stronger national teams than them, who arent?

 I say to hell with this policy of equal representation of all the continents at these events. Positions must be earned and Mozambique(who have played just one international tourney) and the Bahamas certainly haven’t earned them in my books.

Malaysia as we all know aren’t in the the WCL.

Qatar who beat the Cayman Islands, Zambia, and Fiji in 2005 aren’t in the WCL.

 Bahrain(Who won the Middle East Cup beating Afghanistan, Kuwait etc, and teams like Singapore, Hong Kong, and Malaysia), Kuwait (who beat Italy in 2005, and tied with Hong Kong in 2006, Malaysia in 2004 etc), Guernsey (who gave Namibia, Bermuda etc a fight when they toured and were impressive in the European Tournament last year), Israel, Gibraltar, France, Maldives, Thailand all of whom have proven national teams that have won tournaments or competed successfully in international events, and are established associate or affiliate members aren’t part of the WCL. Well instead our genius ICC men give the spots  to two nations who haven’t achieved much by way of national team success….sketchy.

 I say to hell with this policy of equal representation for all the continents at these events and lets follow the system FIFA uses for the soccer World Cup. Positions must be earned, and more positions must be given to continents with more depth and quality (Asia and Europe for Cricket)

 Mozambique(who have played just one international tourney) and the Bahamas certainly haven’t earned these positions in my books.

 I think my point will be rightly proven when we see these teams in action against USA, Singapore, Jersey, Afghanistan and Nepal!

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  1. Roland Ilube
    May 15, 2007 at 9:50 am

    Rego,

    Whilst I don’t necessarily disagree with you regarding the relative strength of these countries compared to some of the other ones that you mention, is it not the case that the ICC have chosen the route of objectivity over subjectivity in this regard? For them to do as you suggest would require them to make subjective judgements given the paucity of empirical evidence available in the realm of associate cricket on a global basis. Do you trust the ICC to do this?

    If you had the power to decide who the additional teams should be that would go into WCL div 5, who would they be and on what basis? I note that you have listed about 10 candidates above

    You focus your ire on the inclusion of Mozambique and Bahamas, what is your view on the allocation of the other 2 places to the EAP qualifiers? Who are they likely to be and where would you place them relative to all the other countries that you have listed?

    One last question, I am aware of 2 international tournaments that Mozambique have competed in: Which one do you not count as an international tourney?

  2. rego
    May 15, 2007 at 5:43 pm

    I believe there is enough evidence based on previous ICC Trophy Results, Regional Tournaments, and ICC Division 2 Tournament in 2005 for the ICC to gauge the depth in quality of national teams in each continent. If we have been able to establish this, so has the ICC, and therefore should act accordingly.
    Again I fall back on FIFA and the allocation of places it gives each continent in the football World Cup.
    Obviously, if the depth in African or say Central American talent increases,(something that will become immediately visible when it happens), more places can be allocated to them.
    As of of now the 12 Team WCL Division 5 tournament looks like this:
    Africa – Botswana, Mozambique
    North/Central America – USA, Bahamas
    Asia – Nepal, Afghanistan, Singapore
    Europe – Norway, Jersey, Germany
    EAP – possibly Cook Islands, Japan, Vanuatu?
    My WCL would look like this
    Africa – Botswana
    North/Central America – USA
    Asia – Nepal, Afghanistan, Singapore, Bahrain (6th in the ACC Trophy 2006)
    Europe – Norway, Jersey, Germany, Guernsey
    EAP – Japan, Cook Islands (who beat Fiji recently)
    The region with two places could be rotated each time between EAP, Africa, and the Americas – until scales change, and allocations have to be altered.

  3. May 15, 2007 at 11:02 pm

    I understand what you are saying Rego…. but I dont necessarily agree with it……… I think that at the bottom rung tournament, you have to give equal oppurtunity to all…….. then the filteration etc will happen in the upper leagues……

    I think where the ICC may have missed a trick is in not giving the open WCL Div 3 spot to Afghanistan…….. giving it to Argentina instead may not be the best thing…. or maybe they could have had a playoff for it between the two, but I doubt that anyone would be interested in getting Argentina and Afghanistan cricket teams together and bearing the cost……….

  4. rego
    May 16, 2007 at 12:44 am

    Yeah I had thought about that..but it just doesnt make sense when you have countries who are spending so much more time, effort, and money into their cricket, only to see a spot that could be theirs being given to some other countries just because they are from another continent. The ICC can evaluate the number of spots each continent recieves each time the tournament takes place.

  5. May 16, 2007 at 1:23 am

    Actually…… Mozambique surprised a few people in last year’s african league div 2……. I think they ended up finishing 3rd…….. and nobody was expecting them to do that………

    ICC had already handpicked a couple of Asian teams for the WCL Div 5, so they probably didnt want to do it more 🙂 Hell, the ICC probably came up with the idea of Div 5 to help out the Asian teams in Nepal and Afghanistan who were unable to make it to the WCL Div 3 this year :):)

  6. May 16, 2007 at 1:24 am

    btw, when is Div 5 going to take place?

  7. rego
    May 16, 2007 at 5:52 pm

    True. But they beat Nigeria and Zambia. Zambia, who came to Malaysia in 2005 and were flogged by Qatar, Fiji, Kuwait, and Caymans.

    Its taking place mid 2008

  8. Rich B
    May 18, 2007 at 9:30 am

    Europe and Asia are two different prospects.

    Below Denmark, there’s not a lot of competitive cricket in Europe. The level of cricket in WCL Div 5 will not be augmented by having Germany involved, and I don’t think Guernsey would have any more right to compete than Bahamas or Mozambique.

    Asia, on the other hand, have a lot more depth. That’s why their new 20/20 competition will be competitive among ten teams, whereas the recently cancelled European one only had four. Given the right circumstances and a bit of luck, probably all ten could have ended up in the situation Oman are in now, in WCL Div 2.

    The WCL is essential for teams like Papua New Guinea to get experience of similar quality opposition they couldn’t get locally – that’s why the lower leagues are there. It’s not so important for the Asian teams because they can get good opponents closer to home. So whilst it’s true that Malaysia would beat the pants off Bahamas, in developmental terms the ‘injustice’ is really no biggie.

  9. Hewer
    May 25, 2007 at 6:01 am

    The biggest joke of all is the idea of Japan playing in WCL Div 5. If Mozambique and the Bahamas are an issue and Japan doesn’t raise an eyebrow, then I’m concerned about the gulf in abilities in this comp.

    I have lived in Osaka for six years and have seen the standard of the local comp (60 registered players drawn from 18 million people in the region and not a single Japanese among them). It’s a small notch above Aussie family BBQ cricket and that’s no exaggeration. Japan were touched up by Fiji in the qualifiers and Fiji will fight it out with Argentina for last spot in WCL 3.

    I don’t know what the future format of the WCL set-up will be but I assume the allocation of places won’t simply re-set after each WC. There a few ridiculous placements and this is a by-product of equality. The ICC had to be fair with allocations and the correct mix will establish itself after a full cycle of divisional tounaments.

  10. May 26, 2007 at 12:29 am

    Hewer….. WCL Div 5 is only to give a legitimate reason to Nepal and Afghanistan to rub shoulders against the bigger teams…… there is nothing more to it than that…….

  11. Hewer
    May 26, 2007 at 5:55 am

    I am worried about the USA spoiling the party at WCL Div 5. With only two teams going through, I fear that means either Nepal or Afghanistan missing out on going through to WCL Div 4.

  12. May 26, 2007 at 7:32 am

    Do not worry…… if history has shown anything, that would mean that the ICC would start off an emergency WCL Div 6, with the winner getting promted as a special entrant to Div 4, or will have a playoff :):)

    Basically, it is only intelligent to incorporate Afghanistan and Nepal, 2 countries with genuine followers of cricket exceeding a million each, in the higher WCLs. The ICC should perhaps have just taken the decision to hand pick at least one of them when the oppurtunity came in to replace the US in Div 3……..

  13. rego
    May 26, 2007 at 5:25 pm

    Rich, I don’t think you understand the point very well.

    Scotland, Ireland, Netherlands, and Denmark are head and shoulders above everyone else in Europe and that is why they have their own comps.

    In Asia, only UAE can really match up to them. Guernsey, Norway, Germany, Jersey, France, Israel are all good enough to compete with Hong Kong (the second ranked team in Asia) Nepal, Afghanistan, Qatar, Bahrain, Malaysia.

    Jersey just thrashed Italy on their tour there…Italy just had an extremely close game with Hong Kong (the second ranked team in Asia) two days ago..just an example, that Europe does have quality below Denmark, and the point is that the top 4 are just wayy too good for the rest.

    WCL Div. 5 isn’t as clear cut as one might think. I think that even teams like Jersey, Norway and SIngapore will Afghanistan and Nepal a run for their money.

  14. Rich B
    June 1, 2007 at 7:29 am

    Anyone know what’s happening with regard to a) regional tournaments in 2008, and b) WCL after 2009’s qualifier?

    a) I know Europe is playing Divs 1,2 & 5, and Asia is having a 2 tier system for the 1st time. EAP – probably too early after their 2007 qualifier to play each other again. What about Africa and Americas – do they have plans to play all 3 divs again?

    b) What I can’t work out is whether the WCL is just a more elaborate way of coming up with 6 qualifiers for the next World Cup, in which case not much will happen between 2009 and 2011, or whether the leagues are seen as important enough in their own right to be played every 2 years. In this case we should get Div 5 again in late 2009 or early 2010, then 4, then 3, then 2, then 1 as a practice just before the World Cup.

    Candidates for Divs 4, 3 & 2 are obvious. To try to make qualification for the 2009/2010 Div 5 fair I’d have the 2 relegated from 2008’s Div 4, with those finishing 3rd, 4th & 5th from 2008’s Div 5, then 7 newcomers from 2008’s regional tournaments: 2 from Europe, 2 from Asia, 1 each from Africa, Americas, EAP. Let the cream rise to the top!

    Also, with the Intercontinental Cup I’d split into 2 divisions of 6 from 2009 and have it completed in a year again – automatic entry for everyone who made the world cup qualifier.

  15. innocente
    December 31, 2007 at 6:57 am

    if u don`t like mozambique,to hell your stupid comments.we want to gain experience

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    June 2, 2008 at 12:45 am

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