Home > Cricket Development > Opinion: WCL Div 3 Preview……

Opinion: WCL Div 3 Preview……

So, we now have the WCL Div 3 coming up with 8 teams participating…….. there are 8 teams in all, divided in 2 pools. The teams are Uganda, PNG, Fiji, Hong Kong, Argentina, Cayman Islands, Italy and Tanzania.

I think that Uganda and PNG should take this one and be in the finals without any problems. These 2 will then proceed to the Div 2 in December. PNG have the advantage that a lot of their players have been playing, and doing well in the Australian conditions for the last 2 years. Uganda seem not to be in the best of shape going into the tournament, but they should be strong enough still to finish in the top 2.

One should also keep in mind, that there is one team, Caymans, who have actually beaten an ODI associate in the last 1 year. And just for perspective, one should keep in mind that neither Caymans, nor Argentina could even contest against Bermuda !!! So if Caymans or Argentina make it through, the ICC has a big big problem in terms of standards.

One team that I am not sure about is Tanzania…… last year, they beat the other teams in African league 3 as if they were a test side playing affiliates…….. they never got the oppurtunity to play Uganda or Namibia, but now is at least the chance to play in the same league as Uganda. It will be interesting to see how they perform.

Fiji….. well…… dont know. I dont think they will make it to the semi finals this time. Definitely not past it.

Hong Kong…….. thats just a waste of time. All the minnow bashers who talk about Ireland playing ‘tourists’ should see this team…….. then Ireland would start looking like the best homegrown thing in the world……..

Italy……. they would do well to avoid the last spot.

So what are your 2 picks for the WCL Div 3?

Advertisements
Categories: Cricket Development
  1. Tom Lewis
    May 16, 2007 at 1:59 am

    I’ve got a horrible feeling Hong Kong will sneek through, like they did at the ACC Trophy to get into Division 3 at the expense of Nepal who beat them earlier in the tournement. The one team that really annoys me is actually in the division above, which is Oman. There must be at least 10 teams that would beat them further down the ladder. If all goes to plan i agree it will Papua New Guinea and Uganda, with Tanzania putting up a good fight.

  2. Cuen Lucas
    May 16, 2007 at 9:33 am

    Nasir, I think you’re spot on, it should well be a PNG/Uganda final.

    But, as they say, cricket is a funny old game…

  3. May 16, 2007 at 5:58 pm

    Tanzania, like Uganda are definitely one of the African teams on the up. I’m trying to get results from their games against a young NPCA side at the moment, so we shall be given a bit of an idea when they come through.
    They are a very young side – several under 20 players, and almost entirely home-grown too.

    I agree with your pick of PNG/Uganda in the final.

  4. rego
    May 16, 2007 at 6:01 pm

    I have a feeling it’ll be tougher than people expect. I don’t know if Uganda and PNG will have the easy ride into the finals that everyone expects

    I don’t expect too much from Italy fullstop.

    I don’t know what to expect from Fiji, Argentina Tanzania, and Hong Kong (an expat dominated to say the least side), but all four are preparing quite thoroughly

    Caymans seem to have the ability to finish 1st or 2nd in this tournament but are very inconsistent.

  5. fred
    May 16, 2007 at 6:07 pm

    What is the format? 2 groups of 4, followed by semis, final? (or a 2 month Super 8 stage!?)
    When and where?

  6. May 17, 2007 at 1:46 am

    Are you sure you are talking about WCL Div 5?

  7. Roland Ilube
    May 17, 2007 at 3:26 am

    I have played against Tanzania three times in the last 3 years. They are a young side who are growing and improving together. We (Nigeria), beat them easily in the WCQS 2004, and they rolled us over comfortably in the Africa div 2 tournament in 2006, both sides having very similar personnel in the two matches.

    They have had a lot of preparation leading up to this tournament, you may remember that they were in Kenya at the time of the WCL div 1 tournament where they served as warm-up opposition for the div 1 sides. In addition they have recently completed a 10 match tour of India, playing against sides like the Mumbai Cricket Association,Mumbai Gymkhana, Police Gymkhana etc. They won 4 and lost 6, and were competitive in most of their matches

    While I am not sure that they will have the firepower to make it into the top 2 of this tournament (which by the way Nasir I believe is div 3 not div 5 as the post header says), their progression is a positive sign and I look forward to good things to come from them as this group of players has a lot of potential for further improvement.

    I am looking out for Athumani Kakonzi and Benson Mwita in particular to put in good performances in Darwin

  8. May 17, 2007 at 10:27 pm

    I m not sure..you all are talking about div 5………….

  9. Rich B
    May 18, 2007 at 9:43 am

    I think the ICC will be looking for one or two teams to emerge strongly from this tournament, so that they can lavish HPP money on them and try to make getting those 6 Word Cup spots as competitive as possible.

    Without USA those teams should be PNG and Uganda, but as Roland says Tanzania’s preparation has been second to none. I think we’re all looking forward to this tournament to see just how deep Associate cricket goes.

    Bring it on!

  10. rego
    May 24, 2007 at 1:01 am

    Hong Kong just beat Italy in a warm up game by 1 wicket, while Cayman Islands beat Argentina by about 100 runs. Fiji lost to an Australian Indigenous XI side yesterday.

  11. Ram
    May 24, 2007 at 1:29 am

    I think Hongkong struggling past Italy is a news item worth pondering over…What’s interesting is that Italy’s batsmen retired after getting a decent hit in order to give other batsmen a go; had the settled batsmen played out the overs, Italy may well have ended up beating Hongkong…It’s commonly understood that Italy is weaker than the ‘A’ sides of Ire, Sco, Neth and probably even Jersey…In this context, it’s surprising how they’ve managed to push Hongkong who not only defeated Afghanistan but also pushed UAE in the ACC trophy last year…Infact, I’d imagined Hongkong to be more than competitive against teams like PNG, Uganda…Well, maybe Hongkong will improve as they get a better feel of the Australian conditions…

  12. Hewer
    May 24, 2007 at 6:55 pm

    Italy were superior to Hong Kong in that game and although Hong Kong won, take it with a grain of salt.

    In the Italian innings, three top order batsmen retired when well set (including “big guns” Scuderi and Alessandro Bonora) to give the others a hit.

    During the Hong Kong innings, the Italian bowling was shared around and the 46th, 48th and 50th overs were bowled by a part-time off spinner (!).

    Hong Kong, in contrast, were playing for their lives. Don’t worry about them sneaking through…

  13. Hewer
    May 25, 2007 at 11:53 pm

    I forgot to put my head on the chopping block:

    Group A
    1. PNG
    2. Italy
    3. Fiji
    4. Argentina

    A pity that Group A is so weak.

    Group B
    1. Uganda
    2. Tanzania
    3. Caymans
    4. Hong Kong

    Semi-finals:

    Uganda over Italy
    PNG over Tanzania

    Final:
    PNG over Uganda

    3rd:
    Tanzania over Italy

  14. Ram
    May 26, 2007 at 5:37 pm

    Yes, Even I’m surprised by the way Italy’s match against Hongkong paned out…Afterall, it was commonly believed that Italy (if not Argentina) were arguably the weakest of the 8 teams playing this WCL Div 3 tournament….

    Well…Another big surprise seems to have come about in the warmup games with Argentina defeating Tanzania…So, for all those saying Tanzania may be in the same league as Uganda and Kenya, they may’ve to wait…Argentina..What can they do in this tournament?…Afterall, they were not supposed to be here…

  15. Hewer
    May 26, 2007 at 6:57 pm

    PNG over Uganda in the final.

    Caymans over Italy in the play off for third.

    Italy will only go through because Group A is so weak.

    All bets are off for Tanzania after Argentina cleaned them up in the last warm up game…

  16. rego
    May 26, 2007 at 8:21 pm

    The Hong Kong bowling was well shared around..their best three bowlers bowled about 15 or 16 overs between them..Hong Kong’s top guns failed to fire with the bat after getting starts however they scored fast and hit boundaries which indicates that they din’t look out of place..I don’t Italy are great having been thrashed by Cayman Islands etc after that Hong Kong game…I certainly don’t think they will be coming 3rd or 4th..

    Hong Kong are doing well against Uganda at the moment.

    ARgentina look like a decent team..

    Tanzania..hard to gauge the quality..we’ll see whe nthey play Hong Kong..

    Cayman Islands will be a tough nut to crack..I wouldn’t be surprised if they upset PNG or smth..

  17. May 27, 2007 at 12:51 am

    Rego…. where are you getting score updates from? are you getting them from the ground directly?

    I am a little disappointed at the fact that no website is even showing periodic updates on the scores…..

  18. May 27, 2007 at 12:55 am

    Well…. at least one result is in……

    Uganda beat Hong Kong by 91 runs……..
    Uganda 220, Hong Kong 129

    Got a partial scorecard, so am guessing the HK score.

  19. Ram
    May 27, 2007 at 1:49 am

    Well…The latest scores are: Italy: 175/9 in 50 overs vs Arg, Tan 206/6 in 50 overs vs Cay Is, Fiji 135 all out vs PNG 12/3, Uganda 219/5 def HK 129

    There are surprises in the scorecards of most of those games even for the most ardent of cricket followers beyond the Test world…

  20. May 27, 2007 at 2:27 am

    i think most likely your final group standings will be:

    PNG
    Fiji
    Italy
    Argentina

    and

    Uganda
    Caymans
    Hong Kong
    Tanzania

    And both Uganda and PNG will get to the final, which is difficult to call. Caymans will probably beat Fiji for the 3rd 4th position.

  21. Frank Farchione, Melbourne, Australia
    May 27, 2007 at 3:15 am

    Who cares? Everyone knows that if Nepal & Afghanistan were in this group (as they should be) they would be superior.

    Nevermind, I’m still confident that one of these teams (if not both) will be in Div 4 of WCL in 2008, giving them a chance to go to WC qualifier in 2009.

    Who knows maybe they will also both qualify for the CWC 2011.

    At lesat the game is growing in these countroies.

  22. rego
    May 27, 2007 at 3:23 am

    I don’t think Nepal and Afghanistan are superior to Cayman Islands, PNG, Uganda, and even Fiji..time will tell though..

    No I’m getting them off the net..www.icc-cricket.com has some updates..but they’re quite slow..

    my standings would be

    PNG
    Argentina
    Fiji
    Italy

    Uganda
    Caymans
    Tanzania or Hong Kong and vice versa..

    although Tanzania scored 206 against the caymans today..so i dunno about that one

  23. May 27, 2007 at 3:27 am

    You are ranking Argentina higher than Fiji and Italy?

  24. Ram
    May 27, 2007 at 4:38 am

    Well…We’ve had some classics on the opening day of WCL Div 3 tournament in Darwin…Italy beat Argentina by 1 run while PNG beat Fiji by 1 wicket…Cayman Is. easily chase down Tanzania’s score of 206/6 in 45.4 overs without losing a wicket..while Uganda have quite easily defeated HK by 92 runs…

  25. Frank Farchione, Melbourne, Australia
    May 27, 2007 at 7:06 am

    Rego,

    You rate Argentina 2nd yet they couldn’t even beat Italy today.

    BTW, the only team here that I rate possibly better than Nepal & Afghnistan is Uganda.

    Uganda smashed Hong Kong today – remember many of Hong Kong’s players have ODI experience via Asia Cup a few years ago.

  26. Hewer
    May 27, 2007 at 8:12 am

    Two very close games and two mismatches:
    **Interesting that PNG won with a six when the scores were level with just one wicket in hand (!!)
    **Italy also won on the last ball with one wicket in hand.
    **Uganda Vs. The Caymans on Wednesday will be a cracker.

    Argentina lost to Italy by 1 run.
    Italy 175-9 (50 overs) Argentina 174 (50 overs)

    Papua New Guinea beat Fiji by 1 wicket.
    Fiji 135 PNG 140-9

    Cayman Islands beat Tanzania by 10 wickets.
    Tanzania 206-6 (50 overs) Cayman Islands 210-0 (45.4 overs, S Gordon 104*, A Hall 100*)

    Hong Kong lost to Uganda by 90 runs.
    Uganda 219-5 (50 overs) Hong Hong 129

  27. Ram
    May 27, 2007 at 12:51 pm

    Well…Arg v Italy was an absolute classic….Expected
    PNG v Fiji being a classic?….NOT expected!
    Tanzania did well to get to 206 against Cayman Is…

    Semifinal slots don’t look as obvious now as they appeared to..

  28. May 27, 2007 at 3:12 pm

    Tanzania started off losing to Argentina in the warm up, and then ended up loasing to Caymans by 10 wkts. I think we should move on from the suspense about their standard…….

    Argentina, very impressive actually….. remember that they were a late draft……. losing to Italy by 1 run….. I dont know if it is because of Italy’s standard going down, or their standard being on the up…….. the games against the bigger teams would tell us more……

    It also looks like PNG is not that far ahead of the pack, though, Fiji was probably their toughest rivals…… and they are out of the way now…..

    One game that does look like anybody’s call is the Uganda v Caymans match…… that game may end up in a Cayman victory and end up forcing a Uganda v PNG semi……

  29. rego
    May 27, 2007 at 4:46 pm

    I thought Argentina would be a tougher side..given their 30 run win over Tanzania in the warm up and their performances in the Americas Cup, where they fought well..mind you they were 160/5 chasing 174..and just collapsed against Italy.

    Again..Fiji..very unexpected..They were thrashed by PNG in the warm ups..and really don’t seem that far ahead of Japan, Cook Islands, Vanuatu etc..based on past results..

    I think the PNG group is very open though..and we will see upsets of some sort in that group..

    Caymans, and Uganda will look to wrap up their group you would think..

  30. May 27, 2007 at 8:38 pm

    caymans and uganda would look to wrap up….. but in what order…….

  31. rego
    May 27, 2007 at 8:48 pm

    can’t tell..i’d say cayman islands..

    hong kong 67 all out against the caymans..

  32. May 27, 2007 at 11:53 pm

    and caymans chasing it in 9.3 overs…….

    Hong Kong faring like this should be a wake up call for the ACC i think……. if the best ranked team is doing this, where do the rest of the countries in the region stand…….

  33. rego
    May 28, 2007 at 12:29 am

    very good question.

    few major points

    1. Hong Kong shouldn’t have come second in the ACC Trophy which simply highlighted its flaws..they qualified from their group by virtue of tie with Kuwait (where Kuwait lost their 5 wickets for 10 runs) on better run rate. Their victory against Singapore was their only real creditable victory in the tournament. They beat Afghanistan on duckworth lewis which was more the fault of the Afghan team management’s misunderstanding of the Duckworth Lewis rules, and subsequently a bad miscall in their strategy.(long story..well known in Asian circles by now). Hong Kong is not the number 2 team in Asia

    2. Hong Kong have just played well the pre-tournament favorites..Cayman Islands, the most impressive side in the tournament so far.(I don’t remember Cayman Islands being this good..they were beaten by Qatar, Fiji, etc in the 2005 in malaysia)..lets see how they fare against Tanzania, and whoever else.

    3. Call it lack of depth..but Hong Kong are missing two of their top batsmen..I think i mentioned this somewhere else on the site…Tim Smart whose opened numerous times for them in the last few years and scored lots of runs against top class opposition…Tabarak Dar..their other opening batsmen..is also out through injury..Their batting is very much in the hands of Rahul Sharma and Hussain Butt both of whom have been very disappointing..the others in the top 4 or 5 are all 17-20 years old..and frankly are not nearly good enough to hold up the batting at that level…they’ve also lost their long standing coach..robin singh recently..

    These aren’t excuses just factors that could’ve contributed to a worse performance than usual.however.Hong Kong’s performance has certainly been extremely disappointing..and possibly even shameful for the ACC..and is something the ACC need to look at..Top Quality regular opposition is the main problem for most associates in the region..and thats what the ACC need to facilitate…

    Kuwait, Oman and Bahrain..playing regularly in Pakistan..UAE in pakistan

    Singapore, Malaysia, HK, Nepal Thailand..in B’desh.

    Maldives in Sri Lanka more regularly..

    thats the only way things will improve in the long run!

  34. rego
    May 28, 2007 at 12:31 am

    “Hong Kong have just played Uganda, the pre tournament favorites, and Cayman Islands, the most impressive team in the tournament so far”*

  35. May 28, 2007 at 2:21 am

    Rego…..

    Afghanistan in pak
    Nepal in India
    Bhutan in Bangladesh
    Maldives in Sri lanka

    There is no reason for Bangladesh to host Hong Kong ! At least Bhutan being a neighbour, Bangladesh ‘may’ be willing….. and these countries have the excitement and passion about cricket at a mass level (less in Bhutan at the momment, but will surely change in the next 5 years)

    Malaysia….. nobody knows what their problem is……. perhaps they need to get their playing numbers up to 20K….

    For the Gulf teams……. well…… first they have to get arabs to play the game……..

  36. May 28, 2007 at 2:25 am

    WHAT THE HELL!!!!

    Argentina just beat PNG !!!
    Italy just beat Fiji !!!
    Uganda beat Tanzania, but lost 6 wkts to get to the mammoth total of 64 !!!!!

    I am speechless……

  37. Frank Farchione, Melbourne, Australia
    May 28, 2007 at 3:10 am

    BTW,

    Cayman Islands, as impressive as they are, should not be in this tournament at all. Why? Because as I have stated before, they should be part of WI cricket.

    It is ridiculous that Cayman Islands, a country who culturally & geographically is part of the West Indies – moreso than Bermuda (Caymans were once part of Jammaica for crying out loud) & a country with a population of only 32,000 people (who follow the game fervently) are forced to represent themselves when countries like for e.g. Antigua/Barbuda & St. Vincent/Grenadines who are much bigger do not even represent themselves at first class level in the WI cricket set up (Antigua/Barbuda play as part of Leeward Islands, SVG play as part of Windward Islands in WI first class comp).

    What a joke!!!

    Cayman Islands’ best palyers should be afforded the opportunity to play at the highest level (i.e Test, ODI & T20I cricket for the West Indies).

    What do others think?

    P.S Mind you, I still feel that the same principle should apply for Bermuda, Bahamas, Belize, Turks/Caicos Islands & Suriname.

  38. May 28, 2007 at 3:25 am

    Frank……. what do you think of Vanuatu, Cook Islands, Samoa, Tonga, Guernsey, Jersey, Isle of Man?

    I do not think the ICC forces anyone to do anything….. though, historically, ICC did break up East Africa, and West Africa cricket associations….

    But I dont think the situation is that Bermuda WANTS to be part of WI, and WI wants to have Bermuda as a first class team, but the ICC does not concur……. Bermuda has made a choice to play independently, WI doesnt want to have another team (they cant handle the existing 20 countries as it is)……. ICC cannot jump in and force the issue…….

  39. rego
    May 28, 2007 at 5:02 am

    Nasir..all i’m talking about is giving the Asian associates..by virtue of being ICC Associate Members better quality opposition on a regular basis..I’ll tell you what Malaysia’s problem is..they do not play against quality opposition regularly enough!..

    Yeah well..today’s results have stumped me as well..just goes to show what an unpredictable sport cricket is…

    I did rate Argentina highly and was shot down..but then again did rate Italy poorly, and they’ve won both their matches..

    Cayman Islands look to be the most consistent team in the tournament, and probably the best…apart from them..though wednesday’s game against Uganda should be a good one..Lets not start talking about which teams should be playing independently and which teams shouldn’t because there is no quantitative method of classifying which teams should be playing individually and which teams shouldn’t

    Why doesn’t anyone question Bhutan playing as part of Nepal?

    Vanuatu Cook Islands SAmoa and Tonga playing as a Pacifica side

    Hong Kong playing as China?

    Singapore playing as Malaysia?

  40. Roland Ilube
    May 28, 2007 at 5:11 am

    The Bermudians as a people have no desire to be considered as part of the West Indies so I think that is a non-starter. There has to be some willingness on the part of the parties involved.

    Nasir to add to your point, the break-up of the East and West African Cricket Associations was driven as much by the associations themselves than the ICC

  41. May 28, 2007 at 5:18 am

    Caymans have also had the easiest opposition so far…… 2 teams that are knocked out……. one can always presume that the Tanzanians got shook up by their defeat against Caymans, and ended up giving 200% for their game against uganda……

    But its irrelevent……

    What is relevent is that the 2 games in group A, and the Uganda/Caymans game on Wednesday are crucial now……. and should be interesting to follow……..

  42. May 28, 2007 at 5:22 am

    PNG can probably still make it through, and who knows maybe even win the title……. but what exactly is happenning?? argentina we saw in the American championships last year, they lost convincingly to everyone including Caymans…… and PNG ??!!….. they have been playing in Australian country championships for 2 years now, and had good results there……. conditions are familiar to them…….. and their team has historically been one of the better associates……. whats up with them losing to Argentina and beating Fiji by 1 wicket………

  43. May 28, 2007 at 5:53 am

    btw Rego, afghanistan lost to HK because of DL method?? I thought they were well and truly gone and the DL methods calculations were a formality…..

    dont remember the match in that much detail though……

  44. Hewer
    May 28, 2007 at 9:02 am

    “PNG can probably still make it through, and who knows maybe even win the title……. but what exactly is happenning??”

    Jamie Brazier isn’t firing with the bat for PNG and this is the main problem. PNG rely a bit too heavily on him to perform (with both bat and ball) and when he doesn’t make the runs, the team generally suffers. 2 runs against Fiji and 2 runs against Argentina is all he has to show. The bowling is fine – he has 7 of the 15 wickets PNG have taken so far – but it’s just not happening with the bat at the moment. He hit 66 off 27 balls (or something similarly ridiculous) against the QLD academy a couple of weeks ago so the form isn’t far way.

    Makes for an unpredictable group anyway…

  45. Hewer
    May 28, 2007 at 9:16 am

    A couple of other interesting points so far worth mentioning:

    ** None of Italy’s top order made much of a contribution today (4-46 at one stage) so good to see the middle order settling things down to set a reasonable total.

    **Top-scorer of the tournament so far is Argentina’s Donald Forrester (born and raised in Argentina despite the name).

    When are Hong Kong going to give Mark Kratzmann a bat???

  46. rego
    May 29, 2007 at 10:28 pm

    HK beat Afghanistan on the D method..Afghanistan were like 115/7 chasing 150 odd..The way I was told it panned out was that the Afghan coaches had little knowledge of the workings of the duckworth lewis methods and so were telling their batsmen to hit out before it rained ( when they were at 80 for 2) wherein if they had scored at about 4 or 5 an over from that point they would’ve won on duckworth lewis simply by virtue of the number of wickets in hand…

    Anyone have any updates on whats happening today?..HK 161 all out

  47. Tom Mather
    May 30, 2007 at 12:03 am

    More misery for Hong Kong with Tanzania 94-1 after 24 overs. The Hong Kong site is the only one I’ve found so far which has any regular updates during the matches. It shouldn’t be too difficult to update the scores from Australia even if it’s only every 25 overs. But if anyone else is doing it I don’t know where to look.

  48. rego
    May 30, 2007 at 2:14 am

    Fiji 44 allout
    Argentina 46/0 in 5 overs

    Italy 134/9 in 50 overs
    PNG 135/2 in 33 overs

    Uganda 153 all out
    CAyman Islands 127 all out in 46 overs

    Hong Kong 161 all out
    Tanzania 165/5 in 47 overs

    I feel for Italy who performed well in their first two matches, but really should have put up more against PNG..I think this was the first match that PNG really showed what they’re about..

    Caymans..A bit disappointing after their power batting in earlier in the tournament..

    Fiji..absolutely appalling..

    Hong Kong again very disappointing..I would’ve expected them to beat Tanzania..

  49. Ram
    May 30, 2007 at 2:28 am

    The final standings present a complete mess up of pre-tournament predictions…Arg have decimated Fiji, to put it mildly…So, the team that was originally not supposed to be there is now the group topper!…Uganda have come back with a seemingly good win against Cayman Is…HK have been pathetic for the third time in the tournament…In retrospection, Tanzania have definitely been impressive with a good win, one close game against Uganda and another good batting performance against Cayman Is…they’ve proved their worth at the Div 3 level…

    But, one team that deserves accolades, if not sympathies is Italy…From being the group toppers at the end of round 2, with promotion to Div 2 being 2 games away, they now find themselves relegated to Div 4…And all this despite being labelled as the least fancied team in this event…But in fairness, Div 4 is probably where they deserve to be…PNG, on the other hand, seem to have found some form at last…their semifinal against Uganda can be a potential thriller….looks like the winner of the Arg v Cayman Is semifinal will be a misfit in Div 2…

  50. rego
    May 30, 2007 at 7:43 am

    I don’t think Cayman Islands will be a misfit in Division 2. They will definitely be better than Oman..and will certainly be able to match up UAE and Denmark…Argentina on the other hand would certainly seem like misfits..

    HOng Kong for all the money they put into their cricket..have really disappoint me..and for the amount of cockiness and self praise they have whenever I meet them at Asian Tournaments..I’m not all that disappointed..

  51. May 30, 2007 at 11:43 am

    Argentina’s progress shows the real value of a world cricket league…… when they were drafted in, given their record against the other american teams, and given the reputation etc of PNG and Fiji, it looked like they would not stand a chance……. a bit of a foot in mouth for me…. i didnt even mention them in the preview above……

    2 regions need to work a lot…. one is EAP, and the other is Asia……. EAP has no playing numbers, little money, not real interest….. Asia has no excuses and need to work on improving the standard of the teams instead of just being excited about the fact that 11 people can play cricket in a country……..

    Uganda now have a tough opposition for the semi final….. it is difficult to call, though, Uganda have been playing well and are the only undefeated side in the tournament so far……. one would give them the edge…….

    The other, all american, semi, well, last year Caymans beat Argentina comfortably…….. but then again, we never thought that Argentina would make it this far……. personally I am supporting Argentina to beat Caymans…… but the brain says that it is going to be the caymans……

  52. Hewer
    May 31, 2007 at 1:08 am

    Argentina creaming the Caymans at the moment..

    Argies for the final ?? (!!)

  53. Rodrigo
    May 31, 2007 at 2:04 am

    Argentina beat the Cayman Islands and will play Uganda in the Final! Vamos Argentina!!

  54. May 31, 2007 at 2:18 am

    Cayman Islands 102 lost to Argentina 103-6 by 4 wickets
    Papua New Guinea 203-5 lost to Uganda 204-9 by 1 wicket
    Hong Kong 195 beat Italy 146 by 49 runs
    Fiji 173 lost to Tanzania 176-7 by 3 wickets

  55. May 31, 2007 at 2:26 am

    I think at least we can say that the 2 best teams have made it through……….

    I dont know what Argentina ate before this tournament, but they need to give some of the same to Bermuda….. and to Zimbabwe !

    One thing that is proven now….. Argentina have somehow drastically improved in the last 1 year……… I am not sure what happenned? Are there some new players now? Cayman did not let them close last year…….

    Fiji….. a team that you thought would at least make it to the semi final, has now face off to avoid last place….. Tanzania….. 2 victories…….. now will face off with Hong Kong again……..

    Hong Kong…. finally a victory…. and at least they will not finish at the end of the ladder………

  56. May 31, 2007 at 2:31 am

    Uganda…… well…. victory, but they had 2 close games, and perhaps not the kind of domination that one would expect from them in Div 3 league…….

  57. Hewer
    May 31, 2007 at 2:34 am

    Cayman did not let them close last year…….

    The Caymans did not let them close last WEEK in the warm-up (let alone last year).

    These guys are obviously benefiting from the competition and getting better with each game.

    The only key player not born and raised in Argentina is the one South African fast bowler. This is great for the game and I’ll be glad to see them in the HPP…

  58. May 31, 2007 at 2:42 am

    How would they go in HPP? Are all the six div 2 teams going to be in HPP? Including Oman ?? haha……..

    I think it would top an astonishing run if they also beat Uganda in the final !

    That would be one cinderella story…. the team that was not even playing the tournament because it was too weak, is given a shot……. and ends up taking the title…… I think this is Rocky Balboa 7……..

  59. rego
    May 31, 2007 at 2:47 am

    All six div. 2 teams get a HPP place?? thats absurd..Oman certainly don’t deserve anything!

    I thought it was only Denmark and Namibia..UAE under the ACC rejected a place..

  60. May 31, 2007 at 3:00 am

    I think I remember something from the ICC press release….. I think they were going to give it to the top 12 teams in the world excluding the Asian teams……. which means that all of PNG, Caymans, Argentina and Uganda get HPP…….

    Actually, it is good that Argentina are getting HPP…. ICC needs to have a strong cricket center in South America, traditionally, not a continent where anyone knows about cricket……….

    But first……. I need to know what has gotten into Argentina that they have won everything in the last week?!?!

  61. Ram
    May 31, 2007 at 3:08 am

    Hats off to Argentina on their promotion to Div 2…I still wonder how a team that was thrashed in the Americas Div 1 championship last year and in the warmups can now suddenly turn things around…I’d follow the final with interest to see what Argentina can manage against Uganda…But…great that the South American continent is starting to make its presence felt in the world of cricket…On the other hand, Uganda vs PNG was an expected classic…PNG I think deserve this considering the quality of cricket they’ve played in this event…They didn’t deserve to go through…

    So, we’ve the verdict…Argentina and Uganda join the HPP…Actually, here’s a case of two wrongs making a right..I mean the ICC drafts teams into the HPP on the sole basis of a nation’s senior team’s performance…This would’ve actually meant UAE and Oman making it to the HPP which would have been a disaster of sorts…But luckily we’d the ACC deciding that Asian countries shall not be a part of the HPP which meant Argentina and Uganda, two deserving teams made the cut… 🙂

    But…to conclude…just wondering…what if the tournament were a round robin format between the 8 teams OR what if the group stages consisted of two rounds instead of a single round?…I’m sure things would’ve been different….Of course, am taking nothing away from Argentina, Tanzania, Italy…

  62. May 31, 2007 at 3:43 am

    what is HPP going to include? Will that team also end up playing in the phantom intercontinental cup Div 2?

  63. rego
    May 31, 2007 at 5:24 am

    I think its a big mistake that the ACC aren’t allowing their teams to be included in the HPP…A big mistake..for the simple reason that they (certainly can) aren’t offering their teams what the ICC HPP will..

    Argentina..well done..I certainly didn’t expect them to beat Cayman Islands….very impressive…thoroughly deserved…Uganda have been the quiet deserving achievers in this tournament…well done to them as well…Tanzania in their first ICC tournament performed well, Cayman Islands and Italy also performed decently….Fiji, PNG, Hong Kong – disgraceful!

  64. Hewer
    May 31, 2007 at 6:27 am

    Ditto on the ACC. I wonder how they feel about Hong Kong’s performance?

    It will be interesting to see how the HPP really affects Namibia, Denmark, Argentina and Uganda.

  65. May 31, 2007 at 11:44 am

    PNG can still finish 3rd….. and if they do, I dont think they were disgraceful…… they would just be 1 spot off the expectations 🙂

  66. Bruce Gaskell
    May 31, 2007 at 2:31 pm

    So were Afghanistan + Nepal not in this because they lost the ACC trophy? Or because the ACC pulled them out?
    And this 20/20 thing the ACC have going, is that to replace entirely their 50 over programme or just for one year?

    And at the risk of being told to bugger off and google it myself, what is the differance between the world divisions and the HPP?

  67. rego
    May 31, 2007 at 4:24 pm

    Afghanistan and Nepal were not in this because they finished 3rd and 4th in the ACC Trophy and only the 2nd place team from Asia was alloted a slot in this tournament..Having said that..I don’t think HOng Kong fully merited that second spot finish..I’ve explained somewhere in this post..

    The 20/20 tournament is not a replacement for the 50 over ACC tournament..It’ll just take place every alternating year..with the 50 over tournament taking place the other year.

    The HPP is simply special package (finances, facilities, coaching, tours etc.) that the ICC is giving to fast rising associate countries based on their development programs and their national team’s performances..Good performances in the WCL are probably a prequisite to a place in the HPP.

  68. Rodrigo
    June 1, 2007 at 9:48 pm

    WCL Division Three Final
    Uganda 241/8
    Ochan 56 not out
    Nsubuga 55
    MacDermott 3-56

    Not looking great for us Argies but if we made it this far we can definitely go a bit further!

  69. June 1, 2007 at 10:59 pm

    well rodrigo….. your team is 46/1 in 18 overs at the momment……. i think whatever they have been eating has worn off on the wrong day……….

  70. Rodrigo
    June 2, 2007 at 12:15 am

    Yes, I guess it has, a real shame because it would have been a great way to cap off this campaign, but fair enough, we weren’t even supposed to be here and people thought we’d be lucky to escape last place, and in the end we got promoted to Division Two, so there’s plenty to be proud of.
    Hopefully we can get some more of that whatever they’ve been eating during Division Two heheh.
    I don’t really know why batting was so slow though, but if you actually have a look at the Ugandan innings’ fall of wickets you can see that Argentina had ripped through their openers and mid-order, but their lower order built two strong partnerships and guided them to such a good total.
    Still, as I said before, I am really proud of the team, a brilliant effort throughout the tournament.

  71. June 2, 2007 at 1:24 am

    Yup….. decent campaign, even if it ended in a 91 run defeat……… lot of good will come Argentina’s way due to the HPP status, and also promtion to Div 2…….. but I think, that when they couldnt really bring it on against Uganda, Div 2 will be tough for them……

    Argentina may have been trying to preserve wickets and have a dash towards the end…… but that concept als needs to have a manageable run rate…… 8-9 rpo in the last 25 overs is not manageable even if you have all 10 wickets in hand

    So looks like Div 2 will see relegation of argentina and Oman….. oh well…….

  72. Rich B
    June 2, 2007 at 3:12 am

    I think that’s a bit too strong – Argentina and Oman look favourites for relegation from Div 4, but as we’ve seen in Div 3 nothing’s set in stone.

    Argentina will be in serious training for November and could well up their game again. Oman beat USA and Uganda in the last ICC Trophy.

    BTW if Oman do finish in the top 4 the ACC will have to elevate them to the ‘Champions Division’ of the ACC Trophy – matches against Brunei and Myanmar won’t be the best preparation for the 2009 qualifier!

  73. Rodrigo
    June 2, 2007 at 4:17 am

    We “brought it on” against Uganda just fine, it was a good lower order partnership that killed us. Really, you’d think that we’d have earned some respect, but no, we’re still expected to finish last. That’s great actually, the more you underestimate us, the better for us.

    You’d also think Ireland taught you lot a lesson now, wouldn’t you?

    It’s Division Two by the way, and if Hong Kong is Asia’s 2nd best side, then you’ve got some issues to work out right there. Oh, and I see Oman is Asia’s 11th best side, so that’ll be real tough for us, won’t it? If we win against Oman and win just 1 more game, not only won’t we be relegated, but we’ll be in the World Cup Qualifier.

    Sri Lanka used to be minnows too, and would play in the ICC Trophy, and yet they finished 2nd in the World Cup.

  74. rego
    June 2, 2007 at 4:49 am

    Oman were a bit disappointing in the recent ACC Trophy but trust me they are no pushovers..They beat Uganda and USA in the last ICC Trophy, and also beat Denmark and Bermuda in warm up matches…They’ve got some quality batsmen and some quality spinners and if they prepare as they did for the ICC Trophy 2005, they will be a tough team to beat.

    I must say it will be interesting to see how Argentina face off against Namibia, Denmark and UAE..I still don’t understand their 5 wicket win over PNG, who, in my books, are as good as Uganda..

  75. June 2, 2007 at 4:59 am

    Final standings:

    Uganda… expected, not as dominant as one would expect
    Argentina… not sure what happenned here….
    PNG… only 1 spot off expectations, give them a break
    Caymans… won 2 games, then lost everything!
    Hong Kong… everyone’s fav associate
    Tanzania… need to play Uganda as much as they can
    Italy… what a drop from near semi finalists
    Fiji…. what the hell!

  76. June 2, 2007 at 3:50 pm

    I agree with Rodrigo in that Argentina deserve a bit more credit – that was a great performance from a team that wasn’t even meant to be there. There has still not been enough tournaments between these nations to really work out a true pecking order so to predict the losers from div 2 now is a big call. November will no doubt put that to rest, but in the meantime, Argentina are due a bit more respect.

    I think the Asian sides are going to really suffer longterm if they remain outside the HPP. Doing it yourself is fine if your way is better, but I think on this one, they would have been better to join in with the rest.

    A great result for Uganda and I think they will continue to go from strength to strength. With Tanzania also improving, there should be a really good opportunity for the three East African countries to use each other as much as possible. Kenya needs to send development teams to both as often as possible and the return of the East Africa Cup would go a long way to providing a forum for annual matches between the senior teams.

  77. June 2, 2007 at 11:59 pm

    who is not giving Argentina credit?

  78. Mkenya
    June 4, 2007 at 11:51 am

    I Think a kenyan A side would be more realistic in an East African cup tournament than a full strength kenyan side, to prevent any mismatch from happening.

  1. No trackbacks yet.

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s

%d bloggers like this: