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News: Rankin possible consideration for England A?

There we go again……. Joyce first, Morgan in line, now Rankin a possibility…….. England might as well look at O Briens and Porterfield as well…… then once they have all played a game here and there for England A, or higher, and hence made themselves unavailable for Ireland, we can sit down and critisize the rest of the Irish team for relying on Aussie tourists.

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  1. Frank Farchione, Melbourne, Australia
    May 22, 2007 at 2:45 am

    Nasir,

    This only reinforces my earlier postings that Ire (& Sco) should be part of the county scene & also play tests in their own right so that their players are not lost to England.

    how many of the associate countries being full of expats when the one country most guilty of this is England.

    Give Ireland Test status.

  2. Frank Farchione, Melbourne, Australia
    May 22, 2007 at 2:47 am

    I was meant to write, so called experts always go on about how associate countries are full of expats when in fact England is the one country most guilty of this.

  3. May 22, 2007 at 3:39 pm

    When are the ICC going to wake up and realise that if they really want the Associates to improve in quality and sustain that improvement then they have to stop the rape of such countries by Test sides who should be able to produce their own players without relying on stealing the best other, poorer countries have to offer.

    One of the criteria for Test status is that a country has an infrastructure that breeds Test players. On that basis at the way we are going, Ireland have a better claim than England do!

  4. May 22, 2007 at 8:35 pm

    Nick….. funny choice of words “Rape by Test countries”….

    One also has to look at it from the associate player’s side…….. if his craft can earn him more money, more fame, higher standard of play, record books, permanent career, in moving to a test country, there is nothing wrong with it……….

    After all, I was born in Pakistan, educated in Pakistan, but work and live in the US, primarily because oppurtunities are limited in Pakistan for IT, and those that are available, I would earn 5 times less doing similar work !!

    Cricketers are no different….. there is the national pride aspect to it, but realistically speaking, it does not put food on the table…….. and there are no hordes of supporters either………

    ICC should look at giving them 1/4 of the test country funds for the time being……. i.e. if they feel that Ireland is not good enough for Test cricket yet.

  5. Nathan Webb
    May 22, 2007 at 9:19 pm

    Definitely, Nasir. You can’t blame the players. I’ve said this a few times before, but the problem is entirely with the Future Tours Program. The other nations don’t get enough competition because they are locked out of the FTP.

    Without the top-level competition, then how can you expect the players to just sit still? Of course they want to play at the highest levels!

  6. Ram
    May 23, 2007 at 12:35 am

    Well….the only way ICU is going to stop this is by professionalizing the setup…And they can do that only when they get to host enough high profile ODIs, atleast 8-10 annually…they’ve this ODI against India to market…If they can attract an Indian TV broadcaster, that would be a lot of money to atleast go semi-professional and thereby convince its players to stay back in their country…In this context, I’m surprised why there’ve been no attempts to invite Bangladesh for an ODI tour…Such a series can bring in much needed TV rights money for the ICU….Bangladesh would also want to play in foreign conditions to become more competitive…

  7. May 23, 2007 at 5:38 am

    Nasir,

    I also live and work in a separate country from where I grew up, but I also have represented my country in sport and I can tell you that there is a big difference between the two. No matter what the cost, I would not represent another country and am fiercely hanging on to my Kenyan passport and citizenship.

    HOWEVER. I know that not all feel the same way and there are in cricket two main obstacles to players being able to play at the top level. One is the ICC not offering a way for Associates to bridge the gap to Test level through a promotion-relegation system. The other, and it ties into the first, are countries, especially England, who have about 100 times the player pool than the Associates to to pick from who never the less feel that they can steal the few riches that other nations have just because they cannot out of their thousands of homegrown players find 11 decent ones to represent their country.

    You think rape is too strong a word? I don’t. I think it fits pretty well what England have done to Ireland. Maybe the players are ok with it, but I doubt very strongly if the Irish cricket board and fans are. Collins dictionary lists one of the definitions of rape as “any violation or abuse: the rape of a country’s natural resources.” Sounds about on the money to me.

  8. neel
    May 23, 2007 at 6:39 am

    That was my point all the way through. The ICC SHOULD COMPLETELY STOP GRANTS TO ALL TEST NATIONS FOR A FEW YARS SINCE THEIR SYSTEMS ARE IN PLACE. All the grants should go to Associates only.

    Also this WCL is a bit of crap. How will Associates improve if they keep playing amongst themselves and play harldy any Games against Top Sides.

  9. Hewer
    May 24, 2007 at 7:25 pm

    I don’t how you could call it crap. It represents a new structure for promotion and relegation, with the WC the ultimate goal. Teams are are always pushed harder when playing teams of similar ability or slightly better and I think it will result in more competition for the 6 associate WC places.

  10. Art
    May 24, 2007 at 9:17 pm

    Perhaps there is at present a real case for Austrlia to be included (during the Australian winter) on a full touring schedule to some of these countries. The players included would all be either natinally contracted or state contracted so at least they would have an income at the time.

    I would really like to see an Australian country XI doing such a thing but these players are uncontratced and tour duties would disrupt career etc a little too much.

    BTW Nasir about Pakistani immigrants around the world. Umpiring winter cricket here at present and last week one team was totally pakistani. Unfortunately they lost and ended there winning streak of thirteen straight. Their skipper was badly injured in a fielding accident at a crucial time and had to be taken away for immidate medical assistance. One of his team mates was a doctor and thankfully he was on hand, the possibility of an eye being lost was a reality if he had not been on hand to assist.

    Tommorrow I umpire another team from the same club, all Pakistani players.

  11. May 25, 2007 at 10:07 am

    I sense some anger at what England are doing as far as the Irish are concerned. Totally justified anger, as I feel the English are deliberately moving in to take Irish players whether they are good enough for full honours or not. They are pursuing a policy of “putting them in the bank” so to speak, picking squad players so that on the off chance these players really come on then they have first dibs on them. There is no way Rankin, Morgan, Porterfield etc are anywhere near full international standard yet, they are well on their way and certainly have the ability, which is what the English are banking on. The players themselves must give their career the best chance possible and while the frail can’t fight the beast feasts, an extremely shameful position that the governing structures of international cricket must address. The players are given no choice and vulture like England prey upon the promising but limping life of cricket in the Emerald Isle.

  12. Tom Mather
    May 29, 2007 at 7:55 am

    It’s a shame about England picking the top associate players like that. Amjad Khan was another, who would have gone on the A tour if he hadn’t been injured. But they have a living to make so it is understandable. But the worst of it is there’s a real chance of them playing a few A team matches or 1 or 2 Internationals, not making the grade and then being out in the wilderness for 4 years and not being able to play for anyone.

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