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News: Malaysia not second best in ACC U19?

I am jumping the gun, but the 2 semi finals have been decided in the ACC U19. It is Malaysia v Nepal, and Afghanista v UAE. The match ups are courtesy of Afghanistan’s upset victory over Malaysia on the opening day of the tournament.

Now lets say Afghanistan and Nepal make it to the finals, then Malaysia would still get qualification while one of the others would get left behind. While this is unfair, I am still ok with the fact that Malaysia being the hosts of the U19 WC should be featuring their team. What I am not ok with is that the fact that one of Nepal or Afghanistan may be left out, while Bermuda and PNG have made it through to the World Cup. I would think the standard difference is just too much in that case, and there should be a second shot for the losing ACC team by playing Bermuda or PNG.

Additionally, the funny thing is that Scotland will have a go at the qualifying ACC team. Why has that special consideration being made?

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  1. August 25, 2007 at 5:35 pm

    Malaysia should qualify as hosts, plus the top qualifier. I do however think that ALL the second place teams should play off for a spot. The African runners up will feel just as strongly that they should be there. A bit short sighted by the ICC this I think.

  2. August 25, 2007 at 5:37 pm

    By the way – I hope you took note that Kenya U19 beat Namibia U19 by 5 wkts yesterday. Uganda only just scraped past Tanzania while Botswana annihilated Nigeria. Interesting results so far…

  3. Onyango
    August 25, 2007 at 9:02 pm

    Kenya under 19 off to a good start.

  4. August 25, 2007 at 10:22 pm

    Lets wait till the tournament finishes before we comment on the African situation….. it may be that both Tanzania and Uganda are stronger than Kenya….. who knows…… Tanzania has also worked a lot on their junior dev……..

  5. August 26, 2007 at 1:07 am

    I would be very surprised if Tanzania were anywhere near Kenya at the moment, at any level.
    Last time all these teams met at U19 level, Kenya were badly under prepared. Things are a bit different this time around and a much more experienced side has been sent. As you say though, we shall see…

  6. August 26, 2007 at 2:18 am

    The reason that the second-placed European team plays-off against the Asian winner is due to the European countries regularly outplaying the Asian ones at senior level. I agree with Nick though, all second placed teams should get a chance.

  7. August 27, 2007 at 4:37 am

    Well….. at least the prediction was correct. Nepal just finished beating Malaysia by 5 wkts. It was a funny sort of a match, with Malaysia dismissed for only 54, but then Nepal also lost 5 wkts chasing that huge total.

    Afghanistan made 255 against UAE, not sure about the result of that match. I would think that given Afghanistan is a team essentially of strong bowlers but weak batsmen, they should be able to defend it.

  8. August 27, 2007 at 5:39 am

    Afghanistan have beaten UAE by 40 runs, and deservedly have entered the final…… It will be an interesting final….. usually Nepal u19 shows that they cant be touched at ACC level, but this tournament they have had a couple of dented victories, albiet against UAE and Malaysia.

  9. Uzz
    August 27, 2007 at 8:45 am

    This is something that ICC should consider seriously.

    As Nepal and Afghanistan is playing the final, and Malaysia out of the event (it can finish third if wins against UAE), how fair is it for the top teams to be left out of the YWC?

    Malaysia can’t complain its just a match or just Nepal, because they also lost to Afghanistan during league.

    And, despite that Malaysia is playing while two among Nepal, Afghanistan and Scotland will not feature in the YWC. That’s not fair at all.

    The YWC qualifying should also be like that of the WC (if in the name of god, ICC want to give equal chances for regional top teams, then it should be one from all – if Scotland defeats ACC winners, then the top team from Asia will be left out).

  10. farhan
    August 27, 2007 at 11:28 am

    well in my views african teams should get more chance to display thier talents whwy can’t there be a tournament involving all the runners up of each regional qualifier, so there can only be the most deserving team into the worldcup.

  11. August 27, 2007 at 12:11 pm

    Farhan…. thats what all of us are saying….

  12. August 27, 2007 at 12:18 pm

    Uzz……

    I think the idea of giving one spot to the host team is a good one….. it is difficult for Malaysia to get any interest going without there being their own team in a World Cup, no matter how weak it is………..

    The problem is with the other 5 spots……… or to be put clearly, the problem is with the Bermuda and PNG spot……. it should be going to any of Afghanistan (assuming Nepal win ACC), Scotland, Namibia or Uganda (assuming Kenya win), all of which are PROBABLY stronger than Bermuda or PNG. Scotland finished last in the 2006 WC, so I will not claim that they may be stronger than Kenya, but Afghanistan probably is strogner than Kenya, or whoever wins in Africa U19…….

    I think ICC may be looking to fix this issue in the future, because their may be quite a few disgruntled teams this time around……

  13. farhan
    August 28, 2007 at 12:24 am

    well i wish afghans win qualifier n then qualify for worldcup,thats the place where cricket can grow effectively other than sub_continent nations

  14. Uzz
    August 28, 2007 at 5:05 am

    Nasir,

    Though I am not against the idea of the hosts qualifying automatically, I would like to put a point here on the issue.

    I understand its difficult for Malaysia to get any interest going without there being their own team in a World Cup, but how much interest do you believe that would create? I have seen two matches involving Malaysia during the ACC Trophy and there were no Malaysian present on the ground to watch the matches. Besides, would not it kill the interest of the people in ONE other country?

    AND, now Malaysia lost to UAE in the third place playoff by 4 runs. So, they are the ‘fourth best’ team in Asia.

  15. August 28, 2007 at 12:09 pm

    This is very funny…..

    Malaysia always complained to the ICC to increase the number of Asian spots to that they can go in alongwith Nepal, and their logic was that they only lose to Nepal. That ended up happenning anyway because Malaysia was the host, but they have now achieved 4th position!

  16. August 28, 2007 at 12:18 pm

    Who the hell plays cricket in Botswana? they beat Uganda and entered the semi final of the Africa U19…. now it is Namibia v Uganda, and Kenya v Botswana.

  17. August 28, 2007 at 5:31 pm

    That was a tough result for Tanzania, who only just lost to Uganda. Maths was never my strong point, but i still thought Tanzania just edged through, though apparently not. Uganda may have been taking it easy as for them it was essentially a dead rubber as they had already qualified. Semis should be interesting today!

    Botswana have a fairly decent development system in place and in terms of organisation, if the rest of the country is anything to go by, it is probably pretty good. Economically, they are one of the success stories in Africa and maybe this organisation has rubbed off onto their cricket.

  18. Ram
    August 28, 2007 at 11:18 pm

    Afghanistan 9/1 in reply to Nepal 172 all out in the final; looks like they’ve got atleast 25-30 runs too many for Afghanistan’s liking…But, it’s interesting that Nepal actually chose to bat when right through the tournament, they’ve always preferred chasing…

  19. August 29, 2007 at 1:08 am

    now they are 118/6 …….

  20. August 29, 2007 at 1:10 am

    121/7 now

  21. August 29, 2007 at 1:21 am

    Afghanistan 122 all out…. Nepal win by 50 runs……..

    btw, when was the last time Nepal was beaten in an ACC U19 tournament match?

  22. Ram
    August 29, 2007 at 1:30 am

    I think their last defeat in this tournament was in the final in 1999 against, not surprisingly, Bangladesh….And, are Nepal supposed to play Scotland home or away?…It would be really interesting if Nepal were actually asked to play this fixture IN Scotland…

  23. Noire
    August 29, 2007 at 7:41 am

    Cant still understand wut the ICC is upto. It will only be fair if Nepal play Scotland in Malaysia. But I wud rather they played in Nepal. Coz if we have to go that extra step being a clear winner, it be done in our place. I wud love to see Scotland cope with 11 in the field and 10000 crowd just outside the ropes…lmao!

    Seriously, if u-19 WC is played in Nepal…almost every game will pull a record crowd.

  24. Tom Mather
    August 29, 2007 at 9:36 am

    I have read that Nepal have qualified for the U19 finals, so don’t they have to play Scotland after all?

  25. August 29, 2007 at 1:01 pm

    They do still have to play Scotland Tom. The ICC’s press release was woefully inaccurate.

  26. Art
    August 29, 2007 at 2:48 pm

    I am seriously wondering what qualifications you need to write a press release for the ICC.

    Good to see Nepal win again and it was great to see Afghanistan make the final.

    One day I will umpire a match in Afghanistan.

  27. August 29, 2007 at 3:01 pm

    Scotland should be playing Bermuda, and Afghanistan should be playing PNG to decide on those spots…….

    Why does Nepal, the associate team that beat SA twice, and NZ, PK once in the previous world cups is needed to play off with Scotland, the second best team in Europe?!?

    As far as location is concerned, it should be Nepal…… Scotland is the challenger, so Nepal should get the home advantage……. I doubt it is going to happen in Malaysia…. ICC is not going to bear the cost of 2 teams in Malaysia…. better to bear the cost of 1 team in Nepal…..

  28. Efaz
    August 29, 2007 at 6:39 pm

    In the African front, the final is going to be between Kenya and Namibia. The match is going to take place tommorrow.

  29. August 29, 2007 at 9:56 pm

    There is no any play off match…Nepal Qualified for ICC U19 World Cup 2008………

  30. Rego
    August 30, 2007 at 2:43 am

    Nepal is not going to play Scotland. According to what was announced to us at the ACC U19 Cup official dinner by officials, Scotland have decided not to challenge Nepal, as apparently, the costs of traveling to Asia for one match are too high.

    Malaysia were relatively quite weak in comparison to some of the other sides. They have been in closed camp since march, and even beat Bangladesh U-19 before the tournament. Many people say that their failure in the tournament is because they have been overworked and overtrained.

  31. August 30, 2007 at 2:48 am

    Rego is right. I have been informed by ACC Official that Nepal has qualified for the YWC and there will be no Challenge match against Scotland.

  32. August 30, 2007 at 5:22 am

    It’s true now, Scotland have opted not to play. The question remains why the ICC are not funding something that they arranged! Croatia are set to scrap their promotion/relegation clash with Israel for European Division Two for the same reason.

  33. Noire
    August 30, 2007 at 6:35 am

    Rego, firstly congratulations to u mate. U did bowl and bat well. It was a shame we could not complete the game against you lot due to rain. (Saved a humiliating defeat…lol..joke). But nonetheless I think indivudually your performance was better than the team’s.

    Nways…with the ICC…wut a joke! Scotland not gonna play us due to financial reasons!! They must have bagged few $$ after the worldcup and staging all the games…So wut message I am getting is, ‘We are not very bothered with this level of cricket!’. We have a saying…’If the foundation is strong, the house is strong!’ That is a lame excuse. I am sure if we, Nepal, was the challenger, we wud have definately gone upto Scotland to give them some thrashing!!

  34. amit
    August 30, 2007 at 9:59 am

    i think the icc should increase the no of spots in the u-19 wc to 20 and give these additional spots to teams which really deserve them. as of now, these 4 spots should go to scotland, afghanistan, kenya and 1 more team(maybe canada). i dont think it will be too much for the icc to increase the spots from 16 to 20. also, there r always more spots in the junior wcs than senior world cups in all sports. with the spots in senior wc becoming 16, the no of spots in the u-19 wc should become 20 now

  35. Ram
    August 30, 2007 at 10:34 am

    Coming back to the African situation, Namibia have come back and defeated Kenya by 39 runs in the final…Looks like there isn’t much between Namibia, Kenya, Uganda and Botswana in Africa U19 cricket though Uganda and Botswana might be slightly weaker than Kenya and Namibia…Surprisingly, Zambia and Ghana have emerged stronger than Tanzania by a distance in this tournament…What’s the composition of Zambia and Ghana U19 teams?…What sort of development is happening in these countries to be able to field a team that can defeat Tanzania convincingly?

  36. August 30, 2007 at 12:09 pm

    Didnt Namibia beat everyone convingly after the initial defeat against Kenya?

  37. Tom Lewis
    August 30, 2007 at 1:18 pm

    I think that Kenya and Namibia are quite closely matched, the only difference in the final being the inclusion of Elandre Oosthuizen, who took five wickets and didn’t play in their first match up for whatever reason. It is worth noting that Namibia have been missing the Marx brothers Floris and Hendrik who both played in the last Under 19 world cup, through injury i imagine.

    I would be interested to see a match up between Kenya and Uganda, as Namibia dispatched the Ugandans with ease.

    Judging by the names the composition of the Zambian and Ghanian teams seems indigenous. i too would be interested to here of developments in these countries

  38. August 30, 2007 at 4:42 pm

    Despite the pain of Kenya missing out again, this tournament is a very good omen for African cricket. All the teams, bar perhaps Nigeria, have shown marked improvement since the last tournament and that can only be good for the region. The ACA and national cricket boards should be congratulated, but also need to work together to ensure that the countries play each other as much as possible at all levels.

    Congratulations to Namibia who seemed to go from strength to strength as the tournament progressed – involvement in the SA domestic setup clearly paying its dividends there. Though I hate to say it, they were deserving winners in the end. Kenya need to take a good hard look at their domestic set up if we are to stay ahead of the chasing pack at senior level.

  39. Onyango
    August 30, 2007 at 5:23 pm

    Namibia seems to have a good feeder system. Playing in the South African league has also helped the senior team. Africa could have up to 5 teams playing regular ODI’s by 2015.

  40. August 31, 2007 at 3:31 am

    Actually….. the pools in the African quailifer probably did not have a good seeding either…… You dont know what Zambia and Ghana would have done against Botswana……. after all, Tanzania beat Botswana, and Tanzania was beaten by Ghana who had finished last in their pool……

    It is in situations like that that one feels perhaps a league system may have been better…….. as it was, the teams played 5 games each……. I dont think it would have been the end of the world had there been a league and the teams had played 7 games each……

  41. Suji5
    August 31, 2007 at 8:15 am

    With the middle order of A.Obanda,P.Lalji and P.Srinivas getting single digit scores, Kenya stood little chance to win. Those three players were the anchormen in the previous games.

  42. Onyango
    August 31, 2007 at 3:19 pm

    ICC needs to organize under 19 ICC trophy. Get top six associates/affiliates and get rid of the regional qualification format.

  43. Art
    September 14, 2007 at 11:20 pm

    Sorry to see that my email to Afghaistan Cricket went unanswered.

  44. Azam Khan
    September 18, 2007 at 9:27 am

    Dear Art,

    Please contact me. My email ID is azamkhan_36@hotmail.com

  45. Art
    September 18, 2007 at 1:26 pm

    Azam,

    Thank you for the reply, I have just emailled you. I hope we can work something out if needed.

    Regards,

    Art

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    September 20, 2007 at 1:21 pm

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    A few things will start rolling now. Nasir, thanks for the site.

  48. samit
    January 28, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    As nepal has qualified icc u-19 cup for straight three times , i think nepal should be automatically qualify to next editions as test playing nations are automatically qualified. Nepal is strong team in asian region and has defeated test playing nations at youth world cup so they deserved automatic qualification

  49. April 14, 2008 at 7:10 am

    The performance from Zimbabwe was shocking and nepal deserve to be picked automatically rahter than them next time round.

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